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06-27-2012, 05:56 PM
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I don't really see what Philly has that they're willing to give up that would make the Sharks better next year.
Yup, Looks like every proposed trade from Philly fans is based on prospects and picks. If that's what is available, then the Sharks are not really good trading partners. We are in the market for wingers that can make us better right now.

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06-27-2012, 07:59 PM
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Simmonds had 28 goals in a very open, offensive system in Philly. He's struggle to get 20 in a more defensive system like SJ. Clowe's coming off a year where he struggled with injuries and where he never really had a consistent RW. He's much more valuable than what last year's numbers would indicate.
I appreciate the bit about clowe's numbers and his value in a trade. That's why I said 1 for 1, you would be doing well, instead of straight up ripping us off. If you don't look beyond last season its not close...but we should because clowes the real deal, as a power forward. I get it, but simmonds has really shown a lot recently.

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06-27-2012, 08:34 PM
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No thanks. I still think Demers will be a top-4 and the guy who most replaces Boyle on the PP if Boyle is traded, or when he goes into decline or his contract is over. I think trading him at this point would be a massive mistake. Especially for what are essentially useless spares (for the Sharks) at this point.

If they can successfully convert Demers to Left Side D, which they started last year, I think he will prove to be even more valuable to the Sharks, who don't have much (if any) left-side offensive d-men. They could run him on the top PP opposite Boyle, and have Stuart and Braun running the 2nd PP.
I think I'd rather have Burns over one of Stuart or Braun on the 2nd PP.

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06-27-2012, 08:35 PM
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Yup, Looks like every proposed trade from Philly fans is based on prospects and picks. If that's what is available, then the Sharks are not really good trading partners. We are in the market for wingers that can make us better right now.
Then why trade Clowe?

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06-27-2012, 09:04 PM
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always thought clowe was reallllly good like kesler 2.0... what happened to him ? :S

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06-27-2012, 09:14 PM
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always thought clowe was reallllly good like kesler 2.0... what happened to him ? :S
Kesler is way faster and a much better sniper.

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06-27-2012, 09:40 PM
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Then why trade Clowe?
If you read the whole thread, you will see that I don't think we should. I think we should trade Demers for a young winger. Young PMD for a young winger. Value for value.

Notice that OP is a Philly fan that's asking for the trade.

To be fair, some Sharks fans think we should trade Clowe for a younger faster winger. Nobody that understands the Sharks thinks we should trade any roster player not named Handzus for futures.

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06-27-2012, 09:47 PM
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If you read the whole thread, you will see that I don't think we should. I think we should trade Demers for a young winger. Young PMD for a young winger. Value for value.

Notice that OP is a Philly fan that's asking for the trade.

To be fair, some Sharks fans think we should trade Clowe for a younger faster winger. Nobody that understands the Sharks thinks we should trade any roster player not named Handzus for futures.
The last bit is simply not true.

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06-27-2012, 11:03 PM
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assuming the Sharks lose out on Nash and the Flyers don't get Ryan, i wouldn't mind seeing some sort of deal revolving around Clowe for Read + 2nd or 3rd. maybe even throw MAB in there too.

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06-27-2012, 11:10 PM
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The last bit is simply not true.
Interesting. Tell me. What roster player do you think the Sharks should trade for futures?

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Interesting. Tell me. What roster player do you think the Sharks should trade for futures?
Douglas Murray would be one, for sure. Antti Niemi would be wise if they can find a suitor but I don't think Wilson has the guts to do it. Anybody else can and should be dealt for futures if they can be replaced via free agency.

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06-27-2012, 11:18 PM
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Douglas Murray would be one, for sure. Antti Niemi would be wise if they can find a suitor but I don't think Wilson has the guts to do it. Anybody else can and should be dealt for futures if they can be replaced via free agency.
Ok. I agree on Niemi. I'm not a fan though most of the Sharks posters feel comfortable with him.

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06-28-2012, 12:49 AM
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assuming the Sharks lose out on Nash and the Flyers don't get Ryan, i wouldn't mind seeing some sort of deal revolving around Clowe for Read + 2nd or 3rd. maybe even throw MAB in there too.
MAB should not be a" throw-in" in that deal. Read + 2nd is enough for Clowe as it gives the Sharks more cap flex ability to add another winger during free agency. Also, with how he played last year even while hurt MAB should develop nicely into a 2nd pairing dman for us who brings a physical presence and a BOOMING shot from the point. He played a safe and simple game in his own zone which was very nice for a rookie. If he improves his defensive play he can become a very solid 2nd pairing guy.

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MAB should not be a" throw-in" in that deal. Read + 2nd is enough for Clowe as it gives the Sharks more cap flex ability to add another winger during free agency. Also, with how he played last year even while hurt MAB should develop nicely into a 2nd pairing dman for us who brings a physical presence and a BOOMING shot from the point. He played a safe and simple game in his own zone which was very nice for a rookie. If he improves his defensive play he can become a very solid 2nd pairing guy.

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06-28-2012, 02:30 AM
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assuming the Sharks lose out on Nash and the Flyers don't get Ryan, i wouldn't mind seeing some sort of deal revolving around Clowe for Read + 2nd or 3rd. maybe even throw MAB in there too.
In a package like that for Clowe you wouldn't only not mind, you'd laughing.

The Sharks want a winger that's an improvement over Clowe. Clowe isn't any great guns but I kinda like Newfies.

so,
To the Sharks:
Voracek
Cap savings

To the Flyers:
Clowe
2nd in 2013
Abeltshauser

(The 2nd & low grade prospect are to make up for the additional cap. I could have picked a different prospect but it would be cool to see how they fit that name on the back of a Phantoms jersey.)

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06-28-2012, 03:41 AM
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In a package like that for Clowe you wouldn't only not mind, you'd laughing.

The Sharks want a winger that's an improvement over Clowe. Clowe isn't any great guns but I kinda like Newfies.

so,
To the Sharks:
Voracek
Cap savings

To the Flyers:
Clowe
2nd in 2013
Abeltshauser

(The 2nd & low grade prospect are to make up for the additional cap. I could have picked a different prospect but it would be cool to see how they fit that name on the back of a Phantoms jersey.)
Not going to trade away Abeltshauser in that trade.

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06-28-2012, 03:50 AM
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In a package like that for Clowe you wouldn't only not mind, you'd laughing.

The Sharks want a winger that's an improvement over Clowe. Clowe isn't any great guns but I kinda like Newfies.

so,
To the Sharks:
Voracek
Cap savings

To the Flyers:
Clowe
2nd in 2013
Abeltshauser

(The 2nd & low grade prospect are to make up for the additional cap. I could have picked a different prospect but it would be cool to see how they fit that name on the back of a Phantoms jersey.)
I could definitely get behind that.

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06-28-2012, 07:54 AM
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Not going to trade away Abeltshauser in that trade.
I love KA more than any other Sharks spec, but I think Voracek would be perfect for the Sharks an I'd have no problem pulling the trigger.

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06-28-2012, 11:17 AM
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In a package like that for Clowe you wouldn't only not mind, you'd laughing.

The Sharks want a winger that's an improvement over Clowe. Clowe isn't any great guns but I kinda like Newfies.

so,
To the Sharks:
Voracek
Cap savings

To the Flyers:
Clowe
2nd in 2013
Abeltshauser

(The 2nd & low grade prospect are to make up for the additional cap. I could have picked a different prospect but it would be cool to see how they fit that name on the back of a Phantoms jersey.)

Voracek will only be $300-400K less than Clowe with his new deal. And I really hate this deal for Philly.

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06-28-2012, 11:19 AM
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I think I'd rather have Burns over one of Stuart or Braun on the 2nd PP.
I fully expect DW to trade Burns as part of a deal for Nash. It is a DW sort of thing.

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