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06-28-2012, 01:06 AM
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Since there was already a thread on this 2 days ago (with a more accurate title!), I merged the two.

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06-28-2012, 01:07 AM
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Hjalmarsson is not a bottom pairing defensemen. He's a lot better than he gets credit for, believe me.

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06-28-2012, 01:07 AM
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The Oilers need a massive injection of quality on their backend. Hjalmarsson doesn't provide that. He's just another 4, 5 or 6 defenceman.
its a step in the right direction. he would be a top 3 dman on edmonton, and you cant expect a swift acquisition of top pairing defensemen, it takes time to improve.

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06-28-2012, 01:07 AM
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Pending? Not true.

That article is simply 1 of the Oilersnation writers speculating.
Again, not true: "CHICAGO SUN-TIMES: Adam L. Jahns reports Blackhawks defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson remains in play and the Edmonton Oilers are among the teams who could have interest."

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06-28-2012, 01:08 AM
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Salo is not signed so that make only 5 Dmen with any NHL experience....keep trying
You're trolling.


Edmonton's top pairing is Smid and Petry. You don't even get to talk about depth. Your defense is a puddle of skill-less goons like Andy Sutton. And don't even get me started on Nick Schultz, Ryan Whitney, and Corey Potter. Your defense is probably the worst in the NW division.... AINEC

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Salo is not signed so that make only 5 Dmen with any NHL experience....keep trying
please stop.

The Canucks have a much better defense than the Oilers do currently.

Hjalmarsson will not put our D group on a higher level than theirs.


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06-28-2012, 01:08 AM
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I don't think anyone would argue that the northwest teams defenses are pretty bad, compared to other divisions. Therefore trying to say your the best of the division isn't saying much. However, to say you are better than Vancouver is more than just a reach. Vancouver regularly has 9 NHL defenseman. Edmonton still has large question marks for not only their first pairing but every pairing.

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06-28-2012, 01:09 AM
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He is better than Peckham.
Peckham is better at the PK and at least he hits.

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Hjalmarsson is not a bottom pairing defensemen. He's a lot better than he gets credit for, believe me.
Canucks fan agreeing. Hjalmarsson flies really far under the radar with the Hawks having Keith and Seabrook.

Hmm. Interesting conundrum for me. Hawks with weaker defence or Oilers with better defence. Approach/avoidance alternative. *scratches head*

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06-28-2012, 01:12 AM
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Again, not true: "CHICAGO SUN-TIMES: Adam L. Jahns reports Blackhawks defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson remains in play and the Edmonton Oilers are among the teams who could have interest."
From the looks of thing the CHICAGO SUN-TIMES is also speculating, so how can you say that it is not true.

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06-28-2012, 01:13 AM
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You're trolling.


Edmonton's top pairing is Smid and Petry. You don't even get to talk about depth. Your defense is a puddle of skill-less goons like Andy Sutton. And don't even get me started on Nick Schultz, Ryan Whitney, and Corey Potter. Your defense is probably the worst in the NW division.... AINEC
I agree with most of what you said, but what is wrong with Schultz exactly?

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06-28-2012, 01:14 AM
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The Oilers need a massive injection of quality on their backend. Hjalmarsson doesn't provide that. He's just another 4, 5 or 6 defenceman.
He was a solid 2nd pairing defenseman for a Stanley Cup winning team. But on almighty Oilers he's suddenly 5 or 6 defenseman?

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06-28-2012, 01:15 AM
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I don't think anyone would argue that the northwest teams defenses are pretty bad, compared to other divisions. Therefore trying to say your the best of the division isn't saying much. However, to say you are better than Vancouver is more than just a reach. Vancouver regularly has 9 NHL defenseman. Edmonton still has large question marks for not only their first pairing but every pairing.
Actually you're wrong on that too. Here's the Defensive breakdown for the northwest:

Vancouver: 2.33 GA/G (4th in the League)
Minnesota: 2.65 GA/G (T-13th in the League)
Calgary: 2.65 GA/G (T-13th in the League)
Colorado: 2.66 GA/G (15th in the League)
Edmonton: 2.83 GA/G (23rd in the League)


On the other end of the spectrum, the Southeast division only has one team (Florida) that isn't in the bottom 10. So I'd say the southeast division is much worse defensively.

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06-28-2012, 01:15 AM
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From the looks of thing the CHICAGO SUN-TIMES is also speculating, so how can you say that it is not true.
Not gonna lie he's a decent defenseman but in no way is he going to help the terrible defense that Edmonton has. Edmonton needs a leader, someone to run the backend. I guess Schultz could be that person but the majority of good teams have that "one" guy.

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06-28-2012, 01:16 AM
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Actually you're wrong on that too. Here's the Defensive breakdown for the northwest:

Vancouver: 2.33 GA/G (4th in the League)
Minnesota: 2.65 GA/G (T-13th in the League)
Calgary: 2.65 GA/G (T-13th in the League)
Colorado: 2.66 GA/G (15th in the League)
Edmonton: 2.83 GA/G (23rd in the League)


On the other end of the spectrum, the Southeast division only has one team (Florida) that isn't in the bottom 10. So I'd say the southeast division is much worse defensively.
Being good defensively is much different than having good D. You don't need to have good D to play a low-scoring system. Don't need to look farther than NJ to see that.

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06-28-2012, 01:16 AM
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I agree with most of what you said, but what is wrong with Schultz exactly?
Schultz and Whitney. The guy can't stay healthy, but when he is he's likely our top dman.

It's just a shame he can't get right, because his footspeed wasn't great to begin with, but with his issues it really affects his game.

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06-28-2012, 01:20 AM
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Peckham is better at the PK and at least he hits.
Hjalmarsson is a good Pker.

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Being good defensively is much different than having good D. You don't need to have good D to play a low-scoring system. Don't need to look farther than NJ to see that.
Ok guy

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06-28-2012, 01:26 AM
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Ok guy

Clearly you didn't watch the Nucks for half the season. Or watch NJ at all playoffs. Or LA etc. The nucks D was sleepwalking through the second half yet we didn't allow many goals. Luongo and Schneider played outstanding. Hence our low GAA. We probably allowed more chances per game than many other teams.

If you watched NJ their defense was beyond horrendous, they were probably in the bottom 5 talentwise and yet they had a very low GAA through the second half of the year. It's all about the system. And please try to name 5 worse defenses than NJ's.

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06-28-2012, 01:28 AM
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Hjalmarsson is a good Pker.
The Hawks had the 27th PK last year, the Oilers were 14th, I cannot see how Hjalmarsson PK ability would help the Oilers.

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06-28-2012, 01:32 AM
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The Hawks had the 27th PK last year, the Oilers were 14th, I cannot see how Hjalmarsson PK ability would help the Oilers.
Team not the same as Player. HTH.

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06-28-2012, 01:34 AM
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Clearly you didn't watch the Nucks for half the season. Or watch NJ at all playoffs. Or LA etc. The nucks D was sleepwalking through the second half yet we didn't allow many goals. Luongo and Schneider played outstanding. Hence our low GAA. We probably allowed more chances per game than many other teams.

If you watched NJ their defense was beyond horrendous, they were probably in the bottom 5 talentwise and yet they had a very low GAA through the second half of the year. It's all about the system. And please try to name 5 worse defenses than NJ's.
Edmonton, Calgary, Columbus, Tampa Bay, Anaheim? I mean, I understand what you are saying. Forwards play team defense too. I just think team GAA is the only relevant stat here, short of advanced stats, which I am no good at

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Edmonton, Calgary, Columbus, Tampa Bay, Anaheim? I mean, I understand what you are saying. Forwards play team defense too. I just think team GAA is the only relevant stat here, short of advanced stats, which I am no good at
I think scoring chances is a good way to tell to. Obviously that relies a lot on forwards as well but it gets rid of the goalies being involved.

And it depends on health but Calgary was defs a better line-up if they didn't healthy scratch their better players. And Anaheim when healthy was better than NJ when healthy.

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I think scoring chances is a good way to tell to. Obviously that relies a lot on forwards as well but it gets rid of the goalies being involved.

And it depends on health but Calgary was defs a better line-up if they didn't healthy scratch their better players. And Anaheim when healthy was better than NJ when healthy.
how about NYI and Minnesota?

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You're trolling.


Edmonton's top pairing is Smid and Petry. You don't even get to talk about depth. Your defense is a puddle of skill-less goons like Andy Sutton. And don't even get me started on Nick Schultz, Ryan Whitney, and Corey Potter. Your defense is probably the worst in the NW division.... AINEC
Did you just insinuate Nick Schultz a bad defenseman? Wow...

Whitney was hurt but came on stronger near the end, i wouldn't write him off just yet nor would i bet on him either. We're going to have to wait on this one,

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