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06-28-2012, 12:35 AM
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Leinos role on the team

What do you see Leino's role on the team as? I've seen many posters saying they want him on a 2-way line with Pominville.

This concerns me. One of the reasons Leino was so unsuccessful last year was because he was being asked to play defensive zone starts for the first time in his career, after usually being exposed to the easy offensive moments.

Problem is, I don't know how this situation is remedied, save for putting Vanek in that role...

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06-28-2012, 12:44 AM
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Scoring line winger, preferably the second line. He's not a good two way player, nor will he be. Just because Lindy tries to jam that square peg into a round hole with everyone doesn't mean it's going to happen. Utilize him for what he's good at. Offensive zone faceoffs and powerplays.

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06-28-2012, 12:52 AM
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Lame-o ruins the whole line up, wish we never signed that bum.

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06-28-2012, 12:54 AM
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He's a top 9 forward. Too soft to be on the 4th line but drags ass on any scoring line he's been on. People seem to think he fits well with Roy and Pominvlle. Can't say I like that idea too much. As much as we love the F-E-S line, I don't think the chemistry will last through next season. I think we see Foligno bumped down to the 4th line and Leino skates with Ennis and Stafford. Just a gut feeling.


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06-28-2012, 01:10 AM
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We would honestly be so much better off without him on the team

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He's a top 9 forward. Too soft to be on the 4th line but drags ass on any scoring line he's been on. People seem to think he fits well with Roy and Pominvlle. Can't say I like that idea too much. As much as we love the F-E-S line, I don't think the chemistry will last through next season. I think we see Foligno bumped down to the 4th line and Leino skates with Ennis and Stafford. Just a gut feeling.
The pessimist in me sees the bolded as well. Hopefully that isn't the way the season unfolds...

A lot of my thoughts regarding One Lein Highway - and his role - are contingent upon who ends up on the roster. There's a square-peg-round-hole thing that looms with him, so something small like the addition of an offensive minded center in Grigs could be conducive to Lein and being a one dimensional winger.

Über pessimist says Grigs doesn't make the team, or doesn't have any impact in his first year. Party poopski

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06-28-2012, 06:21 AM
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I seen him as the next jochen Hecht. Obviously, he won't see serious center minutes unless there are injuries.

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06-28-2012, 06:25 AM
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I seen him as the next jochen Hecht.
Yep.

I thought Leino picked it up nicely toward the end of the season, I hope he keeps building on that going into the next.

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Least favorite Sabre. He'll probably be dynamite in the playoffs though.

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Leino is a hard worker with a very unique skill-set that's shown to be effective at times.

He had trouble meshing with the rest of the club last year - that's obvious. I think he played a lot better than he's given credit for, but the play and production weren't synonymous with his 4.5m cap hit that he's slated for.

He's the kind of guy I can see becoming a "glue" player a la Hecht - one that comes in handy particularly down the stretch. But he had trouble solidifying a role for himself last season.

I think he's a good fit with Roy/whoever and Pominville as a puck possession line with defensive chops. Leino isn't the greatest defensively but his possession skills would prove effective on a line like that. He played his best hockey of the season on Pominville's opposite wing.

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06-28-2012, 07:30 AM
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Echoing others, he needs to be put into situations where he can work the offensive half-boards and just clear it in front to a center who will go to the net.

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Partial Matt Ellis with a different name and falls down more.

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Least favorite Sabre. He'll probably be dynamite in the playoffs though.
THIS! Yes I agree its hard to find a place for him in the line-up but I really believe if the team can make it to the post season he will earn some of that $$$

If FES doesn't stick then it makes it easier to plug Leino in somewhere:

Vanek-Hodgson-Stafford
LEINO-Ennis-Pominville
Foligno-Roy-Tropp
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Partial Matt Ellis with a different name and falls down more.
Talk about hyperbole.

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Leino pissed me off with his comments late in the year, basically saying he wasnt playing hard earlier.

I dont really buy what he said, but after the 1st year Leino to me is a whiny player with a load of excuses and I dont know what Regier/Ruff saw in him to give him that deal?

I hope he is our Briere (The Flyers Briere), under performs in the regular season for the FLyers and then is the best player in the playoffs.

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Suck about 75% less in whatever task he's given. I'll be happy.

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If things don't work out with Leino. We just tell Feaster we've got a top 6 winger with a cheap contract he'd be interested in.

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Suck about 75% less in whatever task he's given. I'll be happy.
This, and if he can let go of his inner drew stafford/jochen hecht and start burying golden opportunities this year, that would be nice too.

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This one got a chuckle out of me. I wish we could just send him to Europe. He adds nothing to this roster and takes away chances for more deserving players.

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He's a top 9 forward. Too soft to be on the 4th line but drags ass on any scoring line he's been on. People seem to think he fits well with Roy and Pominvlle. Can't say I like that idea too much. As much as we love the F-E-S line, I don't think the chemistry will last through next season. I think we see Foligno bumped down to the 4th line and Leino skates with Ennis and Stafford. Just a gut feeling.
I think this is spot on, if F-E-S doesn't stick, Leino could do very well in that slot. He needs to be used mainly as an offensive zone guy, where he can dig that puck out of the corners and set other guys up. I could also see Vanek shifting to the right wing to allow Leino-Hodgson-Vanek in offensive zone situations.

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I seen him as the next jochen Hecht. Obviously, he won't see serious center minutes unless there are injuries.
I don't.

Jochen was a team guy that was willing to play in a defensive role. Leino seems to have no interest in playing that role and wants to be used in a primarily offensive role despite the fact that he isn't in the top end of wingers on this team.

The only real solution stinks: move Foligno off of the line with Ennis and Stafford and try Leino there.

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I think Bill Hoppe's analysis nailed it in terms of the entire Leino situation:

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Ville Leino

Age: 28

Contract: $4.5 million cap hit, five years remaining

2011-12 statistics: 71 games, eight goals, 25 points, minus-2, 15:55 average ice time

Just a year into a six-year, $27 million contract, some believe Leino may already be the biggest free agent bust ever.

The Sabres desperately wanted a center last summer, so, with the market woefully thin, they gambled on Leino, who had just completed a 19-goal, 53-point season with Philadelphia as a winger.

It bombed.

A pivot at home in Finland, Leino was a winger again by Oct. 22. He moved back to center for a time, and then shifted back to the side again, this time for good.

Leino, a supreme puck carrier, clearly doesn’t fit well in coach Lindy Ruff’s system. Ruff loves north-south players who shoot. Leino’s an east-west guy who rarely shoots. He had 78 shots last season, 10 fewer than Luke Adam in 19 more games (while averaging about three and half minutes more ice time an appearance).

Leino has no problem expressing his feelings on any subject, something the Sabres likely loathe. If he has another poor season, what could they do with him? Given his contract, he’s probably untradeable.
http://niagara-gazette.com/prosports...h-expectations

Granted, it's only 1 year into the experiment but I have a bad feeling that most of us will be comparing the Leino era in a few years to the Connolly era - classic underachievers who were woefully overpaid and endlessly defended by management in an effort to cover for what was a huge error of judgement

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I don't.

Jochen was a team guy that was willing to play in a defensive role. Leino seems to have no interest in playing that role and wants to be used in a primarily offensive role despite the fact that he isn't in the top end of wingers on this team.

The only real solution stinks: move Foligno off of the line with Ennis and Stafford and try Leino there.
To be honest, that probably doesn't stink all that much. It's entirely probable that Ruff would try others in Foligno's place over the course of the season as he's a rookie and also isn't on the same level as the other two offensively. Since that line was used in a highly offensively-biased role, it would probably work out. Though I obviously want to see that line given every opportunity to build on last year just like everyone else, Ennis+Stafford is the real time-tested chemistry combination.

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I think Bill Hoppe's analysis nailed it in terms of the entire Leino situation:



http://niagara-gazette.com/prosports...h-expectations

Granted, it's only 1 year into the experiment but I have a bad feeling that most of us will be comparing the Leino era in a few years to the Connolly era - classic underachievers who were woefully overpaid and endlessly defended by management in an effort to cover for what was a huge error of judgement
Not really a great point since when they signed Leino they raved about his puck possession. Leino has never been a shooter, so if he doesnt fit Ruff, why sign him?

I get the point he is trying to make, but it makes zero sense based on what Regier and Ruff said about Leino when they signed him.

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I think Bill Hoppe's analysis nailed it in terms of the entire Leino situation:



http://niagara-gazette.com/prosports...h-expectations

Granted, it's only 1 year into the experiment but I have a bad feeling that most of us will be comparing the Leino era in a few years to the Connolly era - classic underachievers who were woefully overpaid and endlessly defended by management in an effort to cover for what was a huge error of judgement
we would be very lucky if Leino could equate himself to Connolly's time here.

Think about it... he'd miss half a season to an entire season in 3 out of the next 5 years (win!) and when he was healthy, he'd help the special teams and play a respectable 2 way game. Any of those scenarios is better then what we got last year.


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