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Friedman: Salary cap at 70.2 mil

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06-28-2012, 01:19 AM
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The salary cap will remain the same or drop. Revenue sharing will go the way of the NFL and NBA CBA agreements and will split at 50/50. Dropping from 57% to 50% which is a 12% drop, which would result in a lower cap and lost in salary to the players.

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06-28-2012, 01:38 AM
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The only way would be an overall roll back on salaries to the same percentage as the cap. Much like the original creation of the cap. Otherwise like many have suggested the cap teams will be try to dump too much salary.

It seems the owners and players need to find an equal ground where they don't lose too much salary and the owners don't end up eating multiple millions in the AHL.

If 70 million does become the NHL salary cap I think that it should stay there. Increase to 20 million disparity between. This way there is still parity and small market teams can operate around the 50 million stage until they have the rosters to spend more on.

A larger cap number also allows for better player movement as well.

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06-28-2012, 06:59 AM
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The Penguins are almost a floor team! Horrible owners! Are they moving soon?!?!
They'll overpay for someone like Crosby

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06-28-2012, 07:04 AM
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What about the 5 percent hike by the players?

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06-28-2012, 07:04 AM
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No...
There is a salary cap and a salary floor, not a "salary cap upper limit" and a "salary cap floor".

70.2M would be the salary cap.
54.2M would be the salary floor.
No, you're wrong !

CBA doesn't know "Salary Cap", nor "Salary Floor". It's called "Team Payroll".

50.5 Team Payroll Range System; Lower Limit and Upper Limit; Payroll Room;
Lower Limit and Upper Limit Accounting.

(b) "Lower Limit" and "Upper Limit." For each League Year there shall be
a "Lower Limit" and an "Upper Limit" at or between which each Club must have an
Averaged Club Salary. The range between the Lower Limit and Upper Limit shall be
known as the "Team Payroll Range" (the "Payroll Range" or "Range").

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In the other words :

Upper Limit : $ 70.2 Million
Lower Limit : $ 54.2 Million

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06-28-2012, 07:24 AM
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No, you're wrong !

CBA doesn't know "Salary Cap", nor "Salary Floor". It's called "Team Payroll".

50.5 Team Payroll Range System; Lower Limit and Upper Limit; Payroll Room;
Lower Limit and Upper Limit Accounting.

(b) "Lower Limit" and "Upper Limit." For each League Year there shall be
a "Lower Limit" and an "Upper Limit" at or between which each Club must have an
Averaged Club Salary. The range between the Lower Limit and Upper Limit shall be
known as the "Team Payroll Range" (the "Payroll Range" or "Range").

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In the other words :

Upper Limit : $ 70.2 Million
Lower Limit : $ 54.2 Million
But it isn't called "The Salary Cap Upper Limit" and "The Salary Cap Lower Limit".

"Salary cap" is the term used to describe the upper limit of a club's payroll.

"Salary floor" is the term used to describe the lower limit of a club's payroll.


EDIT: That was essentially my point in the first place. That saying "The upper limit of the salary cap" is redundant since "upper limit" and "salary cap" are the same thing.


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06-28-2012, 07:33 AM
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But it isn't called "The Salary Cap Upper Limit" and the "Salary Cap Lower Limit".

"Salary cap" is the term used to describe the upper limit of a club's payroll.

"Salary floor" is the term used to describe the lower limit of a club's payroll.
I call it "Cap" and "Floor" as well

But they are not correct terms according to the CBA. I searched "salary cap" in the CBA and didn't find me anything.

People are calling it how they want it. Just like me or you. I just thought you're trying to be correct according to the CBA.

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06-28-2012, 07:42 AM
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I call it "Cap" and "Floor" as well

But they are not correct terms according to the CBA. I searched "salary cap" in the CBA and didn't find me anything.

People are calling it how they want it. Just like me or you. I just thought you're trying to be correct according to the CBA.
Yeah, I'm with you.

I just thought the quote in the OP was kind of confusing, and was being especially picky about it.

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06-28-2012, 07:49 AM
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Well if we were allowed to spend what we earned we could have Mike ****ing Milbury as GM and still make the playoffs. And why not us fans spend more on tickets then anyone else so why not.
Because the NHL is meant to be a sustainably operated business, as opposed to just being a luxury-pacifier for crybaby Maple Leafs fans?

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06-28-2012, 07:52 AM
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If it's going to be that high there isn't any point of even having the salary cap.


I don't see how small market teams are going to be able to compete with a salary cap more than 70M.
Then perhaps they shouldn't exist. There comes a time when better markets deserve a bit of an advantage. They pull in all the revenue, fund the small markets, etc.

If the small markets still can't compete? Oh well.

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Player salaries are going up just like they always have, so the cap goes up to adjust to the market. $6 million really isn't that much when you look at the rate salaries increase.
You've got it backwards. Player salaries are going up because the cap is going up, not the other way around. The cap is calculated based on revenue. How much teams choose to pay for players has no affect on the cap number.

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06-28-2012, 07:55 AM
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Why have a cap?
Lol really?

If there was no cap, the Rangers, Leafs, Flyers, etc. would be spending 120+M or so.

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06-28-2012, 07:58 AM
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So what you are saying is fans of small market teams should switch teams for because their's will no longer be able to compete?

Because if it is, congrats you have the dumbest post of the day. And I have seen some hilarious proposals today.
1- Anaheim is in no fashion a small market. If the team has monetary problems there obviously needs to be work done. Or maybe the market is just not good for hockey.

2- There is revenue sharing involved in the CBA. It is not simply "this is the cap, good luck!".

I said there might need to be some work done on the math involved. There probably needs to be a percentage gap between the cap and the floor, not a set amount, and maybe revenue sharing can be tweaked to help a little. But to get upset that the cap exists? It is utter nonsense. Without the cap, these small market teams would not have a chance in hell to compete. The cap makes things much fairer to all.

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06-28-2012, 08:33 AM
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I can't see the league having a Cap of 70M on July 1, then all of a sudden lower it to 60M on Sept 15. To many teams would be screwed to shed 10M
Any team that spends to 70 mil is stupid. They all know what's coming.

Actually, if the cap right now is 70.2 mil, then the summer cap would be 77.22 mil. But again, no team is going to spend that much. I doubt few teams, if any, will exceed last year's 64.3 mil.

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The owners just have to put in a formula that the revenue sharing goes up and down with the salary cap.....Once the revenue sharing is improved (as long as teams meet the criteria) and put on a sliding scale the league should be healthier....

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Not really surprising, .1 M less than speculated earlier.

Anyway, I really fear there's another lockout coming. I'm mostly hoping for increased revenue sharing to make the league more competitive. Seems like the modern 'parity' is really driving revenue growth.

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