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06-28-2012, 10:58 AM
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^^^^ BFL not QFT

Are you saying he can't get better? Because his biggest problems are mental lapses and puck handling.

He has the ability to put a team on his back and carry it for long stretches more so than a single superstar forward could.

No Quick last season, we don't even make the playoffs let alone win it all. And by all accounts our window to challenge for the cup wasnt even supposed to open up till next season.

What do you think a goalie of that caliber is worth to our team? Or yours for that matter?

I'm glad you're not our GM.
You doesn't seem to take into account the contract in your evaluation of a player.

I agree without quick at 1 800 000$ LA go nowhere last season. Quick had probably the best performance/$ ratio of any goalie in the league.

But just imagine Quick was paid 6 000 000$ + last season.

Who do you cut from the line up? Richard ? Carter?, Brown+ ? and replace them by 1 000 000 forward (Like Fraser or Richardson)?

I wonder how Nashville will do next season with a Rinne at 7 000 000$

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The Kings don't have to cut anyone if they sign Quick to a hefty contract extension. They have plenty of cap space to afford his new salary and still retain the rest of the core. You're idea of cutting him loose in favor of Bernier is ridiculous.

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Exactly the same thing as Rinne.

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The Kings don't have to cut anyone if they sign Quick to a hefty contract extension.
Every team have a budget, if you all money to a player, this money cant be allowed elsewhere.

So if you allow 6 000 000$ to quick, in the future it would take the place of what could be a a star forward/defenseman or two 3 000 000$. There is no way around that, no magic formula, you have to make cut somewhere, to overpay at a position. If Carolina, Buffallo, Vancouver, NYR, Phi, MIN, didnt had a 5 000 000+ stars goalie It would allow them to have a better team up front.

Seeing how well performed the cheap (under 2 000 000$) UFA goalie (Smith, Vokoun, Theodore, Elliot etc...) Versus the 2 000 000$ UFA forward/Defensemen I would rather put my money upfront.

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You doesn't seem to take into account the contract in your evaluation of a player.

I agree without quick at 1 800 000$ LA go nowhere last season. Quick had probably the best performance/$ ratio of any goalie in the league.

But just imagine Quick was paid 6 000 000$ + last season.

Who do you cut from the line up? Richard ? Carter?, Brown+ ? and replace them by 1 000 000 forward (Like Fraser or Richardson)?

I wonder how Nashville will do next season with a Rinne at 7 000 000$
Would have gotten rid of Penner and his 4.25 million, not rocket science, but go ahead and try and make it look like you know what you are talking about.

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06-28-2012, 11:53 AM
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Would have gotten rid of Penner and his 4.25 million, not rocket science, but go ahead and try and make it look like you know what you are talking about.
Of course its easy to make the cut ''afterward'' and cut the bad contract. Once we know who hold a bad contract.

But since in general we dont know in advance who will perform badly for his contract (we can make educated guess, but i guess that every signed/acquired player, the GM acquired him with the sincere opinion this player will help the team).

So we have to make a random or average cut.

If Quick had a 6 000 000$ it could mean Penner wasnt there, it would not be a big deal.

It could also mean LA cant afford Brown & Mitchell, and that would hurt a lot.

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Of course its easy to make the cut ''afterward'' and cut the bad contract. Once we know who hold a bad contract.

But since in general we dont know in advance who will perform badly for his contract (we can make educated guess, but i guess that every signed/acquired player, the GM acquired him with the sincere opinion this player will help the team).

So we have to make a random or average cut.

If Quick had a 6 000 000$ it could mean Penner wasnt there, it would not be a big deal.

It could also mean LA cant afford Brown & Mitchell, and that would hurt a lot.
What are you even talking about? Dean has had zero cap issues since he was hired in LA. He knows what he is doing and the Kings can ice the exact same team that just won the cup if he decides to re-sign Penner. Quick is signed for $1.8 million next season no matter what his extension ends up being. 2013-14 is when his new contract would kick in and we all have no idea what the cap will look like for 2013-14. It's useless to speculate who the Kings are going to lose.

Unless the cap falls drastically and there isn't a salary roll back, the Kings will have zero cap issues with Quick at $7 million per season.

I trust that Dean and his staff knows what he can and can't afford with Quick's extension.

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06-28-2012, 12:03 PM
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Quick deserves to receive one of the highest goalie salaries in the league. He's not just a great goalie, he's a goalie who falls into that distinguished category of players who can put the team on their backs and carry them. Everyone is quick to forget that the Kings were not a powerhouse that stormed their way to the Cup from Day 1 of the season. They barely even made it into the playoffs. The fact they did is almost exclusively thanks to Jonathan Quick.

Anything less than $6 million is a steal.

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06-28-2012, 12:06 PM
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Quick deserves to receive one of the highest goalie salaries in the league. He's not just a great goalie, he's a goalie who falls into that distinguished category of players who can put the team on their backs and carry them. Everyone is quick to forget that the Kings were not a powerhouse that stormed their way to the Cup from Day 1 of the season. They barely even made it into the playoffs. The fact they did is almost exclusively thanks to Jonathan Quick.

Anything less than $6 million is a steal.
In the same category than Miller, Ward, Backstrom, Kiprussoff, Giguere and Lundqvist ? (5 800 000$+) (Take into account than since their goalie got a big contract, these team in average performed under the league average)

Carolina Ranking since Cam Ward earn 6 300 000$:

2011-2012:23th no playoff
2010-2011: 19th no playoff

Calgary Ranking since Kiprusoff earn 5 800 000$:

2011-2012: 17th no playoff
2010-2011: 17th no playoff
2009-2010: 16th no playoff
2008-2009: 10th - Lost in first round

BUF Ranking since Miller earn 6 250 000$

2011-2012:19th no playoff
2010-2011:15th - First round
2009-2010: 11th - first round

MIN ranking since Backstrom earn 6 000 000$

2011-2012:24th no playoff
2010-2011:21th no playoff
2009-2010:22th - No playoff

NYR since Lundqvist earn 6 875 000$

2008-2009: 12th - Lost in first round
2009-2010: 21th - No playoff
2010-2011:18th - Lost in first round
2011-2012:2th - Semi Final

Anahiem/Toronto while Giguere earned 6 000 000$

2007-2008:5th first round
2008-2009:17th - first round
2009-2010: 17th - no playoff (Anaheim)
2010-2011:22th, no playoff (Toronto)

To conclude since the lockout, the result of all team who had a 5 800 000$+ goalie,

Over 20 compiled season they:

- Make the playoff 8 time (Average should be 10 or 11)
- Make it once past the first round (NYR 2012) (Average should be 5)
- Was only twice in the top ten team in the ranking (NYR 2012, ANA 2008)
(Average should be 7)

If you want to join their Boat and give 6 000 000+ to Quick, go ahead (Giguere, Ward on this list got these kind of contract after a cup)

Of course we can argue that they didn't had success because these elite goalies was behind weak teams (even if CAR and Ana won the cup while their goalie had reasonable contract) But guess why these team are weak ? Because their goalie take lot of cap space!Their goalie e is suppose to make up for it, make the difference, bring them over the top, but they dont.


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In the same category than Miller, Ward, Backstrom and Lundqdqvist ? (6 000 000$+)
Seeing as how he is better than them, yes.

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Seeing as how he is better than them, yes.
Reread my edited post above...

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So, how long until Bernier to Toronto?

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So, how long until Bernier to Toronto?
Probably will wait until the Leafs are at the point where they realize they are going to miss the playoffs yet again and Burke makes a desperation move to save his job.

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Every team have a budget, if you all money to a player, this money cant be allowed elsewhere.

So if you allow 6 000 000$ to quick, in the future it would take the place of what could be a a star forward/defenseman or two 3 000 000$. There is no way around that, no magic formula, you have to make cut somewhere, to overpay at a position. If Carolina, Buffallo, Vancouver, NYR, Phi, MIN, didnt had a 5 000 000+ stars goalie It would allow them to have a better team up front.

Seeing how well performed the cheap (under 2 000 000$) UFA goalie (Smith, Vokoun, Theodore, Elliot etc...) Versus the 2 000 000$ UFA forward/Defensemen I would rather put my money upfront.
Yep, the Kings budget is the salary cap. They will have no issues with giving Quick his money and icing their team. You must not be familiar with the Kings cap right now and in the future.

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In the same category than Miller, Ward, Backstrom, Kiprussoff, Giguere and Lundqvist ? (5 800 000$+) (Take into account than since their goalie got a big contract, these team in average performed under the league average)

Carolina Ranking since Cam Ward earn 6 300 000$:

2011-2012:23th no playoff
2010-2011: 19th no playoff

Calgary Ranking since Kiprusoff earn 5 800 000$:

2011-2012: 17th no playoff
2010-2011: 17th no playoff
2009-2010: 16th no playoff
2008-2009: 10th - Lost in first round

BUF Ranking since Miller earn 6 250 000$

2011-2012:19th no playoff
2010-2011:15th - First round
2009-2010: 11th - first round

MIN ranking since Backstrom earn 6 000 000$

2011-2012:24th no playoff
2010-2011:21th no playoff
2009-2010:22th - No playoff

NYR since Lundqvist earn 6 875 000$

2008-2009: 12th - Lost in first round
2009-2010: 21th - No playoff
2010-2011:18th - Lost in first round
2011-2012:2th - Semi Final

Anahiem/Toronto while Giguere earned 6 000 000$

2007-2008:5th first round
2008-2009:17th - first round
2009-2010: 17th - no playoff (Anaheim)
2010-2011:22th, no playoff (Toronto)

To conclude since the lockout, the result of all team who had a 5 800 000$+ goalie,

Over 20 compiled season they:

- Missed the playoff 12 time
- Make it once past the first round (NYR 2012)
- Was only twice in the top ten team in the ranking (NYR 2012, ANA 2008)


If you want to join their Boat go ahead and give 6 000 000+ to Quick, go ahead (Giguere, Ward on this list got these kind of contract after a cup)
Obviously we won't know what happens in the future until it happens, but the Kings don't have much choice here. Quick was the only reason the Kings made the playoffs, and wins the Conn Smythe, and the Cup. What team, anywhere, would let the guy walk?

Kopitar, Doughty, Richards, and Carter aren't going anywhere. Brown will have to be re-signed, but they'll be able to do it, even if Quick gets a ton.

It's unlikely the Kings win the Cup again, no matter who's on the team. Different winners every year these days. Different teams in the finals every year these days.

The Kings have their core, and Quick is part of it, in sickness and in health, for richer or poorer, as long as they both shall live.

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Obviously we won't know what happens in the future until it happens, but the Kings don't have much choice here. Quick was the only reason the Kings made the playoffs, and wins the Conn Smythe, and the Cup. What team, anywhere, would let the guy walk?
Quick at 1 800 000$ was the only reason they win the cup, His situation is similar to Ward who won the cup on a 684 000$ contract.

I believe LA totally have a choice here, especially with a Bernier in the farm. Dont get me wrong, if Quick can be signed at a reasonable contract (4 500 000$ ?) by all mean, LA should jump on it.

But just for fun imagine Quick hit the UFA summer 2013. How many teams will need a goalie /have the cap space or the budget/be an attractive team enough to make a bid?

Toronto? No an recent history to be a winning team

Florida ? it isnt the richest team and let Vokoun go for a $ reason.
Chicago ? probably wont have the cap space. Also, they wasnt successful witha high paid Huet or Khalibulin (a cup winning goalie!)

I dont expect Quick will have that much option to get a lot of $. We have seen Vokoun accept 1 500 000$, Eliott, Harding and Nabokov signing for Peanuts. It point out that despite all rumor, the goalie market for a high paid goalie isn't strong. An Elite goalie like Luongo cant find a good bidder to acquire him.

Maybe we can hope LA will use this fact to try to get Quick agree to a good contract. I think LA should not panic and go the Nashville way with Rinne. They should be patient, and look at their option.

Being willing to let a player go is the first step to be able to negotiate a reasonable contract.

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I'll say 5 year, $29 million. Will probably get more but I am still guessing Quick will take a discount to stay.

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Quick at 1 800 000$ was the only reason they win the cup, His situation is similar to Ward who won the cup on a 684 000$ contract.

I believe LA totally have a choice here, especially with a Bernier in the farm. Dont get me wrong, if Quick can be signed at a reasonable contract (4 500 000$ ?) by all mean, LA should jump on it.

But just for fun imagine Quick hit the UFA summer 2013. How many teams will need a goalie /have the cap space or the budget/be an attractive team enough to make a bid?

Toronto? No an recent history to be a winning team

Florida ? it isnt the richest team and let Vokoun go for a $ reason.
Chicago ? probably wont have the cap space. Also, they wasnt successful witha high paid Huet or Khalibulin (a cup winning goalie!)

I dont expect Quick will have that much option to get a lot of $. We have seen Vokoun accept 1 500 000$, Eliott, Harding and Nabokov signing for Peanuts. It point out that despite all rumor, the goalie market for a high paid goalie isn't strong. An Elite goalie like Luongo cant find a good bidder to acquire him.

Maybe we can hope LA will use this fact to try to get Quick agree to a good contract. I think LA should not panic and go the Nashville way with Rinne. They should be patient, and look at their option.

Being willing to let a player go is the first step to be able to negotiate a reasonable contract.
Goaltenders in trades and goaltenders in free agency have different value. Goaltenders don't bring back as much as they should in a deal because any team that has a good one isn't trading him, and if they do, there has to be a reason, which lowers the value. How many goalies hit the open market with a Conn Smythe and Cup under their belt? Vokoun, Elliott, Harding, Nabokov, nothing close to that on their stat sheets. Khabibulin ended up going to a bad Chicago team.

I don't know what the Kings are going to pay Quick. I'm sure they'll look at the future options Quick may have and factor that in. Quick might benefit from being the goalie that brought the franchise its first cup, on what is currently an underpaid contract. It's going to be a give and take. The Kings won't just give Quick whatever. Quick will probably get the $6+ million though, and the Kings will just have to deal with whatever happens after that.

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Per Kings, agree with Quick on 10 yr contract ext
Retweeted by Bob McKenzie

Looks like Quick is locked up now. Waiting for it to be confirmed, though. Great, great cap hit, even though it's a very long term. The Kings and their fans should be happy.

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Per Kings, agree with Quick on 10 yr contract ext
Retweeted by Bob McKenzie

Looks like Quick is locked up now. Waiting for it to be confirmed, though. Great, great cap hit, even though it's a very long term. The Kings and their fans should be happy.
But what is the cap hit?

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Per Kings, agree with Quick on 10 yr contract ext
Retweeted by Bob McKenzie

Looks like Quick is locked up now. Waiting for it to be confirmed, though. Great, great cap hit, even though it's a very long term. The Kings and their fans should be happy.
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