HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

Luongo XVII - Goaldeny (Mod Warning In OP)

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-28-2012, 12:21 PM
  #26
freakydave
Registered User
 
freakydave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 796
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Liferleafer View Post
To the 1st bolded, thankfully Burke disagreed.


To the 2nd bolded, do all those trade threads deal with a limited market, player with a NTC, player who is 33 on a long term deal, player who's team really wants to deal him. Each and every 1 of these things effect value.
You see that's what I'm talking about you think Gardiner + pick is overpayment.Would you move Gardiner for nash or ryan??

I noticed in your response there was no mention of a rhd/top 6fwd you would offer for luongo-you know to address a need the Canucks have-

Every player on the block has some reason they are going to be moved.I conceded that in a cap world financial considerations will affect a trade.All of the things you talk about do indeed impact trade value but there has to be something of value coming from your side or else why would GMMG trade with the leafs?

freakydave is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 12:22 PM
  #27
mstad101
Registered User
 
mstad101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,106
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Liferleafer View Post
Lombardi has 1 year at 3.5 (i believe), not exactly crippling for a servicable player who can play both wing and center.
At this point I'm more inclined to ask for Connolly. He gives Vancouver a proven point producer when healthy who can play 2nd line center. With Kesler out till Nov/Dec we'll need someone without the worrisome of a concussion history that has kept a guy out a full season.

Anyone thinking Schneids signs a 1 year deal at anything under the 4.71 limit for compensation and your team actually acquiring Cory is out to lunch. Any offer sheet to Cory that won't be matched has to be high and 1 year otherwise Vancouver matches and rolls with both goalies at around the same cap percentage theyve rolled at before when Lu took near 10% of that cap before.

The reason I'm so sure about this, 2 years ago Cory had a chance to become a UFA due to games played an years served for a goaltender and personally chose to sign a 2 year deal to stay with the club who have brought him along since college. The guy is the truest professional, he has never complained about the situation he's in, the role he's played or ice time he receives.


Also anyone saying Florida's interest isn't real, why would Tallon have publicly stated he's willingness to go after Lu and a previous conversation with ownership to acquire the big money contract.
Florida was the only team with a bigger playoff drought than the Leafs up till this season, and even with their advertisement deal for the upper bowl in the stadium, the Panthers would like to continue making money. A proven goaltender with a playoff record can easily make them money.

mstad101 is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 12:25 PM
  #28
LickTheEnvelope
6th Overall Blows
 
LickTheEnvelope's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 27,946
vCash: 500
I love how the thread titles have become infinitely more interesting than the topic.

LickTheEnvelope is online now  
Old
06-28-2012, 12:34 PM
  #29
Halibut
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,060
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boltsfan2029 View Post
If the offer is that low, Vancouver matches, Schneider stays where he is another year and ends up at the same place (UFA) at the end. And he only has to move to a new city and go to all that trouble once if he signs elsewhere after that year.

I don't know, seems like an awful lot of trouble and work for nothing.
Might be but the cost is minimal. If it works you either get an excellent goaltending prospect fairly inexpensively or you get him to free agency in one year. If you dont make an offer the Canucks hold his rights and get a long term deal signed and he never gets to free agency. The team holds the cards with RFA's they have to sign and give up some UFA years or the team just holds their rights until they do.

Halibut is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 12:39 PM
  #30
Vankiller Whale
Maybe HE can score
 
Vankiller Whale's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 24,469
vCash: 5555
FWIW Schneider said he's sure he'll end up with a contract, but it might not happen for a week or so. As per TSN.

Vankiller Whale is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 12:41 PM
  #31
Slot 3
exitus acta probat
 
Slot 3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,540
vCash: 600
These thread titles are highly amusing.

Slot 3 is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 12:45 PM
  #32
Halibut
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,060
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale View Post
FWIW Schneider said he's sure he'll end up with a contract, but it might not happen for a week or so. As per TSN.
Yeah they wrote it up pretty provocatively. Talking about the possibility of him getting an RFA offersheet and then his quote of either way he's sure he'll have a contract next season. Makes it sound like he's open to an RFA offersheet.

Not sure exactly what question was asked but I wouldnt be surprised if the writing was a bit spun to make that sound more plausible.

Halibut is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 12:48 PM
  #33
Vankiller Whale
Maybe HE can score
 
Vankiller Whale's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 24,469
vCash: 5555
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halibut View Post
Yeah they wrote it up pretty provocatively. Talking about the possibility of him getting an RFA offersheet and then his quote of either way he's sure he'll have a contract next season. Makes it sound like he's open to an RFA offersheet.

Not sure exactly what question was asked but I wouldnt be surprised if the writing was a bit spun to make that sound more plausible.
To be honest now that I look back on it I'm not even certain they were talking about the CBA "deal". I think it fits into context just as well.

Vankiller Whale is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 12:56 PM
  #34
Liferleafer
RIP Mrs Doubtfire
 
Liferleafer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 9,359
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by freakydave View Post
You see that's what I'm talking about you think Gardiner + pick is overpayment.Would you move Gardiner for nash or ryan??

I noticed in your response there was no mention of a rhd/top 6fwd you would offer for luongo-you know to address a need the Canucks have-

Every player on the block has some reason they are going to be moved.I conceded that in a cap world financial considerations will affect a trade.All of the things you talk about do indeed impact trade value but there has to be something of value coming from your side or else why would GMMG trade with the leafs?
1st off,Burke (rumoured) pulled out of a Nash deal because of Gardiner. We just got JVR so that sort of negates Ryan. The only RHD top 6 forward we have is Kessel, and i'm pretty sure thats a no-go. The most important thing the Leafs can offer Vancouver is a destination for Luongo. IF FLA has little interest, were else is he gonna go? I'm not lowballing, i've offered prospects/picks as well as a servicable player/dump.

Liferleafer is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 12:56 PM
  #35
mstad101
Registered User
 
mstad101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,106
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale View Post
To be honest now that I look back on it I'm not even certain they were talking about the CBA "deal". I think it fits into context just as well.
Well Schneids is on the players committee for the negotiations on this new CBA deal.
This quote sounds very directed for the answer given could mean a number of different things. This a good piece for TSN and nothing else, a bit of a clip to punch Free agency up a bit.

mstad101 is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 01:01 PM
  #36
cyris
Global Moderator
On a Soma Holiday
 
cyris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: 3rd Planet From Sun.
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,209
vCash: 797
Quote:
Originally Posted by Liferleafer View Post
1st off,Burke (rumoured) pulled out of a Nash deal because of Gardiner. We just got JVR so that sort of negates Ryan. The only RHD top 6 forward we have is Kessel, and i'm pretty sure thats a no-go. The most important thing the Leafs can offer Vancouver is a destination for Luongo. IF FLA has little interest, were else is he gonna go? I'm not lowballing, i've offered prospects/picks as well as a servicable player/dump.
Lupul?

cyris is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 01:02 PM
  #37
Killericon
Registered User
 
Killericon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 222
vCash: 500
What I'm hoping for, more than anything, is that when the actual trade goes down, it's for a return not even brought up as a possibility in the last 16,000 posts.

Vancouver has to match anything that Schneider signs, right? I don't even know why that's a point of discussion.

Killericon is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 01:03 PM
  #38
Kessely Snipes
Great White North
 
Kessely Snipes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Regina, SK
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,444
vCash: 500
Awesome thread title haha. Goldeneye will always be one of my favorite Bond movies.

Kessely Snipes is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 01:04 PM
  #39
Liferleafer
RIP Mrs Doubtfire
 
Liferleafer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 9,359
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyris View Post
Lupul?
Wierdly,hockeydb had him listed as a center, so i didn't want to post misinfo. Lupul isn't going for Luongo either.

Liferleafer is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 01:05 PM
  #40
TOML
Registered User
 
TOML's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Walnut Grove
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,712
vCash: 500
Sure this has been asked 17 times, but what happens when the Bond franchise is milked?


TOML

TOML is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 01:06 PM
  #41
NuxFan09
Registered User
 
NuxFan09's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,412
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by EpicDing View Post
The next one has to be This Thread Never Dies
Love it!

NuxFan09 is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 01:08 PM
  #42
cyris
Global Moderator
On a Soma Holiday
 
cyris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: 3rd Planet From Sun.
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,209
vCash: 797
Quote:
Originally Posted by Liferleafer View Post
Wierdly,hockeydb had him listed as a center, so i didn't want to post misinfo. Lupul isn't going for Luongo either.
LOL, has he ever played center in the NHL?
But yea he certanly isnt going anywhere but he is RHD.

cyris is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 01:09 PM
  #43
cyris
Global Moderator
On a Soma Holiday
 
cyris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: 3rd Planet From Sun.
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,209
vCash: 797
Quote:
Originally Posted by TOML View Post
Sure this has been asked 17 times, but what happens when the Bond franchise is milked?


TOML
The Op said he is done at that point. Someone else will have to come up with a new series.

cyris is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 01:11 PM
  #44
medhatcanuck
Registered User
 
medhatcanuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Inside JayZ's Belly
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,223
vCash: 500
Did I miss something. Hasn't loungo already turned down Toronto?

medhatcanuck is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 01:13 PM
  #45
Pacem
Registered User
 
Pacem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Langley
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,327
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mstad101 View Post
At this point I'm more inclined to ask for Connolly. He gives Vancouver a proven point producer when healthy who can play 2nd line center. With Kesler out till Nov/Dec we'll need someone without the worrisome of a concussion history that has kept a guy out a full season.

Anyone thinking Schneids signs a 1 year deal at anything under the 4.71 limit for compensation and your team actually acquiring Cory is out to lunch. Any offer sheet to Cory that won't be matched has to be high and 1 year otherwise Vancouver matches and rolls with both goalies at around the same cap percentage theyve rolled at before when Lu took near 10% of that cap before.

The reason I'm so sure about this, 2 years ago Cory had a chance to become a UFA due to games played an years served for a goaltender and personally chose to sign a 2 year deal to stay with the club who have brought him along since college. The guy is the truest professional, he has never complained about the situation he's in, the role he's played or ice time he receives.



Also anyone saying Florida's interest isn't real, why would Tallon have publicly stated he's willingness to go after Lu and a previous conversation with ownership to acquire the big money contract.
Florida was the only team with a bigger playoff drought than the Leafs up till this season, and even with their advertisement deal for the upper bowl in the stadium, the Panthers would like to continue making money. A proven goaltender with a playoff record can easily make them money.
I am pretty sure that you are wrong about the bolded part. I believe what he could have done is sign a one year deal forcing the Canucks to play him at lest 26 or 27 games or something like that or he'd become a UFA after the 1 year deal.

Schneider had absolutely no bargaining power at the time. The Canucks were not offering a one year deal so he had to take the 2 year deal. No team would offersheet him at the time as he was still not established. He signed a two year deal because the Canucks wanted him to. He didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart.

Pacem is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 01:13 PM
  #46
jfisher6
#thestructure
 
jfisher6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Denver
Country: United States
Posts: 3,083
vCash: 50
Loving the title lol

jfisher6 is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 01:13 PM
  #47
Liferleafer
RIP Mrs Doubtfire
 
Liferleafer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 9,359
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by medhatcanuck View Post
Did I miss something. Hasn't loungo already turned down Toronto?
Debunked by Bobby Mac.

Liferleafer is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 01:16 PM
  #48
freakydave
Registered User
 
freakydave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 796
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Liferleafer View Post
1st off,Burke (rumoured) pulled out of a Nash deal because of Gardiner. We just got JVR so that sort of negates Ryan. The only RHD top 6 forward we have is Kessel, and i'm pretty sure thats a no-go. The most important thing the Leafs can offer Vancouver is a destination for Luongo. IF FLA has little interest, were else is he gonna go? I'm not lowballing, i've offered prospects/picks as well as a servicable player/dump.
When I wrote RHD I meant right handed D man or top6 fwd sorry for the confusion.I never expected Kessel.
It's not the point I was asking what you thought of Gardiner for nash or ryan as part of a deal-not that toronto needs either.
The difference between Nash/Ryan & Luongo is that toronto needs to upgrade in goal.

to the bolded part
I literally laughed out loud when you refered to Lombardi as serviceable.
I would rather take Santorelli off waivers than have Lombardi anywhere on the Canucks unless he was part of trade where the Canucks got one of those other pieces they actually need.

freakydave is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 01:18 PM
  #49
LPH
[hello] :)
 
LPH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Granduland
Country: United States
Posts: 40,425
vCash: 50
let's get these posts going! I want to see the next thread title!

LPH is offline  
Old
06-28-2012, 01:19 PM
  #50
AlmightyPO
Registered User
 
AlmightyPO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Kingston
Country: Canada
Posts: 790
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by medhatcanuck View Post
Did I miss something. Hasn't loungo already turned down Toronto?
Did he actually turn down Toronto? I thought he would just rather prefer Florida.

AlmightyPO is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:34 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.