This sounds silly, but I met him the other day and I asked him if he was going back to Sweden for a year and he said flat out 'Yes' with zero hesitation.
Oh I'm just referring to the thread last year when he was being referred to as Klefbust and such. Like I said I never was sure if you were serious or just joking around.
I'd be very excited for us and for him if he was willing/able/ready to stay. We have holes in our D that need filling... that's an opportunity that has to be seized, lest it not be there next year. As someone who once passed on an opportunity a lot like this because I thought I wasn't ready yet, I know firsthand that if he has the ability to be here, then he has to take it for the sake of his own career.
So if after the 9 games the Oil phone up Farjestad and say do you want a #2-3 d-man, they are going to say no?
Probably cause by then that would be filled. If the Oilers then said, listen, you get him for free. Then the answer would ofcourse be yes but he would not have that big role that he will have if he stays.
I understand the hype and he is really good but bringing him to camp and those 9 games instead of letting him get a full season with a top European team in a huge role... Comneon, you gotta see whats best if it's his development you wish to see?
Probably cause by then that would be filled. If the Oilers then said, listen, you get him for free. Then the answer would ofcourse be yes but he would not have that big role that he will have if he stays.
I understand the hype and he is really good but bringing him to camp and those 9 games instead of letting him get a full season with a top European team in a huge role... Comneon, you gotta see whats best if it's his development you wish to see?
What do you mean if it was free? He is free.
What's best for his development is to see what a NHL camp is all about, see what it takes to be a NHLer.
What's best for his development is to see what a NHL camp is all about, see what it takes to be a NHLer.
I'm fairly sure that free and on loan is not the same thing.
What's best for his development is to get a full senior season instead of playing scrimmages and friendly games and then play in the AHL where the level of play is nowhere near what he will get in the SEL.
If you then add the personal aspect of this, Klefbom was brought up in Färjestad and leaving like that would put that organisation in heaps of problems right now. I'm not sure he would be very much liked around his hometown if doing it like that when making promises to everyone and everything.
Me, I hope that he has a brilliant NHL carrier someday but if he leaves now, I never want to see him in Färjestad again.
I'm fairly sure that free and on loan is not the same thing.
What's best for his development is to get a full senior season instead of playing scrimmages and friendly games and then play in the AHL where the level of play is nowhere near what he will get in the SEL.
If you then add the personal aspect of this, Klefbom was brought up in Färjestad and leaving like that would put that organisation in heaps of problems right now. I'm not sure he would be very much liked around his hometown if doing it like that when making promises to everyone and everything.
Me, I hope that he has a brilliant NHL carrier someday but if he leaves now, I never want to see him in Färjestad again.
I have no idea what the heck you are even talking about in terms of this free/loan situation.
You think NHL pre-season is friendlys? It's probably a lot more physical than your average SEL game.`
It doesn't take a genius to figure out what's going on. There's no doubt the Oilers were wanting to come away from the draft with Ryan Murray AND some other blueline help. They failed. What's on the horizon July 1st you think?.....a third rate blueliner perhaps, more of what the Oilers have a lifetimes supply of already?.....those 4-7 blueliners we love so much.
Put the pieces together and watch. If the Oilers miss out on Justin Schultz, guaranteed they fast track Klefbom.
Perhaps you are right, but I see a lot of speculation in your post you are treating as gospel.
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The big deal is that Färjestad is a professional team and not some developmentteam för the Oilers.
When the camp takes place and those 9 games you want him to play takes place, then Färjestad is playing a tournament with big money in it and also have the start of their own league.
Add to the fact that Färjestad lost their top 4 D to this upcoming season and that there is än agrement about Klefbom in place between Färjestad and the Oilers and breaking that in this late state is not an option for Färjestad when the market is tapped out.
No, if the Oilers demands him over there for camp and those 9 games and then decides to wait another year then Färjestad and a top 2-3 Dspot in SEL is gone.
So the market is tapped out for other options but his SEL team would turn him down if he came and played 9 NHL games?
And yes they are a professional team. That is why there would likely have to be some kind of financial compensation to Färjestad from the Oilers to let them do this. Perhaps they pay his salary for the season or something.
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Its already being speculated by Ryan Rishaug as well as others. He is reportedly coming to camp now, where that wasnt in the cards just a short while ago.
I agree, the writing is on the wall, if management strikes out with Schultz and is unable to add something significant via trade or ufa, then Klefa will be the go to option.
The path of least resistance.
Thanks for the info with actual sources IATL. It could be they are leaning this way. Or it could be they want him to see an NHL camp this year so he stands a much better chance of making the team out of the 2013 TC.
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Probably cause by then that would be filled. If the Oilers then said, listen, you get him for free. Then the answer would ofcourse be yes but he would not have that big role that he will have if he stays.
I understand the hype and he is really good but bringing him to camp and those 9 games instead of letting him get a full season with a top European team in a huge role... Comneon, you gotta see whats best if it's his development you wish to see?
From our perspective, it is best for his development to have him come get a taste of what the NHL is like before going back to play where he is most comfortable.
But if Färjestad doesn't want him back, then it isn't like a season in the AHL is going to hurt him. It's pretty comparable to the SEL in terms of compensation and he has the possibility of being called up. Plus he gets experience playing on the smaller ice.
Its already being speculated by Ryan Rishaug as well as others. He is reportedly coming to camp now, where that wasnt in the cards just a short while ago.
I agree, the writing is on the wall, if management strikes out with Schultz and is unable to add something significant via trade or ufa, then Klefa will be the go to option.
The path of least resistance.
Why is that such a bad thing if they fast track Klefa? It's not even that fast of a track.
Not quite gospel but i'm pretty close, what other options are there for the Oilers?
They best keep Klefbom here even if they're fortunate enough to land Schultz.
Trades? FA signings?
I think Klefbom could use another season in the SEL. I just want him to come to camp and see what it's like first. Of course the Oilers could try to keep him here, but I am not sure I agree with you that that is the most likely situation.
Count me in to the group that thinks Tambo is using Klefbom as a contingency plan if he strikes out with Schultz and can't find a top 4 Dman through free agency.
It just seems all too weird that all of a sudden after they didn't draft Murray, that this possibility of Klefbom coming to main camp and possibly making the roster has propped up.
I hope this isn't the case but if it is, Tambo comes off looking bad IMO.
There's absolutely no reason to rush this kid especially on this defense which has little support to guide him along. They should just let him play a big role in Sweden and work on rounding out his offensive game since his defensive game seems pretty polished. Bringing him over here because Tambo can't do his job adequately and is taking the easy way out is a recipe for disaster.
I don't see how Klefbom is the answer for no Schultz. Pretty sure ST doesn't have the leash that he's had in past year. If we are a lotto team again he's gone, playing Klefbom for anything more than 9 games puts us in the lotto.
Lot of speculation about this having to do with hinging on Schultz, but I thought it might simply be because Klefa's way ahead of where they expected him to be even a couple of months ago.
If he's already standing out amongst his peers, the coaching staff might have to readjust.
This is what I would love to see. Give him a taste now so he can go back and know what we need to work on. That being said... if somehow get Schultz and another D, it would be tough to find a spot for him in those 9 games.
If Klefbom might come over, then perhaps Tambo doesn't look for another d. I hope he does, but he do have a few prospects that will need ice time in the next couple of years, so bringing in anything more than a stop gap might not be the best idea...unless we package up a few guys for a top end guy, should one become available.
Right now, we have Smid, Schultz, Sutton, Peckham, Fedun (maybe in minors), Whitney (wouldn't mind if we traded him in a package for an upgrade), Petry and maybe another Schultz, not including Klefbom, Teubert, Marincin and other prospects who deserve a look.
Man oh man, they need to be careful here. The last thing we need to do is rush Klefbom and stunt his development. I'd much rather we bring him along and do this right instead of rushing him if we miss out on Schultz.
I say have him play one more year in the SEL, then start the next year on the Barons and go from there.
Playing top minutes in Sweden and having him develop well and "ripened" before he comes to the Oilers is the way to go. Having a weak d core in Edmonton should have nothing to do with how to develop Klefbom.
If he truly is ready for a spot on a good NHL roster (not just because the Oilers have a completely mediocre d-core)... then fine but I would like to have him developed for another year until you can clearly say that he is ready for the NHL. He's still just 18 (turns 19 shortly) and dmen can use extra time to develop.
Again if they do add him to the roster, I certainly hope it's not because they are using him as a backup plan because they couldn't find better options elsewhere... it should be because he's truly ready and could play on any NHL roster.
Why is that such a bad thing if they fast track Klefa? It's not even that fast of a track.
If he is ready then it wouldnt be a bad thing, but if they are doing it because they need to fill holes on the d and havent been able to sign ufa's or make trades, then that is a poor reason. If they are doing it because he is ready then that would be ok.
But there seems to have been a fairly recent change in plans. That indicates to me that is probably because of a procurement problem more than a Klefa is ready situation.
Bob Stauffer was telling us all we would have a new d man on Monday. AFAIK he is still saying we will get one any day now. Sounds like they are desperately trying to fill an obvious need on the club. If they cant do it through traditional channels, perhaps they throw Klefa in there and call it a day?
too lazy to go back any further. The trend is that IIHF All Star Dmen are typically ready to play next year in the NHL. I saw Klefbom a few times this year and he is very mature. IMO, He would not look out of place in an Oiler jersey next year.
If he is ready then it wouldnt be a bad thing, but if they are doing it because they need to fill holes on the d and havent been able to sign ufa's or make trades, then that is a poor reason. If they are doing it because he is ready then that would be ok.
Agreed completely, but you don't know if he's "Good Enough" until you bring him to camp. He could always make the team, see how he does after 8 games and then send him back to Sweden, a la Zibenijad(sp)
Klefbom is poised to get big minutes on a strong club in the SEL and I want him to hit the ground running I am not only opposed to having him play games here this year, but also opposed to him being late for the SEL camp, if that means missing the Oilers main camp entirely then so be it. There is no need to rush this kid and while he may be NHL capable he is not going to come in and make a huge impact, the extra development time will only help the Oilers in the long run.
We brought Paajarvi in too early and while the effects did not show in the first year they came to bear in the 2nd year, and we tried forcing Lander into a spot he was not ready for aswell, and looks like he will probably play most of next year in the AHL. It's time this organization stopped talking about developing players like Detroit and other winning organizations and actually started doing so. Defense is a hard position to learn Klefbom needs some big minutes against the best the SEL has to offer and he has to come out ahead more often than not, before we have serious conversations about bringing him over.
