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06-28-2012, 12:09 AM
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Murray isn't worth a 2nd any more.
A 2nd, even from Edmonton, really isn't enough for Murray. How about you keep your D and we'll keep ours.

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06-28-2012, 12:12 AM
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Question for a reasonable Rangers fan. If the rangers sign Schultz, does del zotto become available? What would the price be?

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06-28-2012, 12:20 AM
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Wrong Schultz, what you really want is Jeff Schultz from the Capitals. He hits hard, gets pucks through on net, closes distance effectively, and makes accurate transition passes. He does not do any of these things often, at all, but when he does, you ll love him.

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06-28-2012, 12:20 AM
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If they want to build a set of D like the Canucks, they will need a no.1 guy like Edler. ...and a no.2 guy like Hamhuis.

having 5 or 6 no.4 guys isnt the same.

I'd try to sign Garrison and trade for Hjalmarsson or however you spell their name. They'd be good no3 guys.

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06-28-2012, 12:22 AM
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Edmonton should trade one of Hall, RNH, Yakupov, Eberle to bring in a young Stud Dman.
I dont think MPS is going to get you the quality you want.

You have 4 young stars up front and none in the back end. Doesn't it make sense to move one to address a position of weakness.

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06-28-2012, 12:29 AM
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If they want to build a set of D like the Canucks, they will need a no.1 guy like Edler. ...and a no.2 guy like Hamhuis.

having 5 or 6 no.4 guys isnt the same.

I'd try to sign Garrison and trade for Hjalmarsson or however you spell their name. They'd be good no3 guys.


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Edmonton should trade one of Hall, RNH, Yakupov, Eberle to bring in a young Stud Dman.
I dont think MPS is going to get you the quality you want.

You have 4 young stars up front and none in the back end. Doesn't it make sense to move one to address a position of weakness.

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06-28-2012, 12:33 AM
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Edmonton should trade one of Hall, RNH, Yakupov, Eberle to bring in a young Stud Dman.
I dont think MPS is going to get you the quality you want.

You have 4 young stars up front and none in the back end. Doesn't it make sense to move one to address a position of weakness.
Not yet, but likely in the next 3 years. I want to see what we have coming through the system, so I would be looking for stopgap guys.
IMO,
Petry Smid
Whitney Schultz
Makes 4 respectable dmen. Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat will be ready in 2-3 years, so in the meantime, I want vets who won't be a liability.

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06-28-2012, 01:09 AM
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Methot- bottom pairing D on the worse D in the league at 3mil cap hit for the next 3yrs.
I prefer "second pairing D on the most injured D in the league." It's much more accurate. He's currently penciled in on the bottom pairing because:
1) we rebuilt the blueline during the season, and
2) in the process found two pairs which have great chemistry together and so we don't want to break them up.

By similar logic, if Yakupov and Eberle both start in the top-6, Hemsky becomes a "defensively poor checking-line forward".

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06-28-2012, 01:25 AM
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The Sabres could potentially have Jordan Leopold and/or Andrej Sekera available, with Sekera having a fair amount more value. Not sure what the Oilers could offer in return, though.

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06-28-2012, 03:06 PM
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Edmonton should trade one of Hall, RNH, Yakupov, Eberle to bring in a young Stud Dman.
I dont think MPS is going to get you the quality you want.

You have 4 young stars up front and none in the back end. Doesn't it make sense to move one to address a position of weakness.
You would think. But apparently that comment gets you a double facepalm.

While Edmonton does have some interesting prospects in the minors/system I don't think any of them project to be a top pairing guy.

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06-28-2012, 03:11 PM
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Jamie McBain for Gagner.

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fixed...

Voynov would interest EDM .. any chance LA puts him on the market?
Absolutely.........

But be aware that names like Hopkins or Hall will be announced

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06-28-2012, 03:16 PM
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Hey guys obviously everyone knows the Oilers defence needs some work, so my question to you guys is what would it take to acquire these players?

Methot
Hjalmarsson
Paul Martin

I think Edmonton is aiming for a more Vancouver style of defense (An entire top 6 of top 4 guys) rather than having a bona fide number 1 and 2.

Adding two guys makes the Oilers defence no longer look so bad. While not world beaters, they're no where near as bad as they have been in the past. No more Barker, Potter, Sutton, or Peckham taking regular shifts makes the defence infinitely better.

Smid - Petry
Martin - N Schultz
Whitney - Methot
Sutton

A few guys I hope the Oilers target in UFA as well are

Sarich
Kubina
Allen
and obviously Justin Schultz

Anyways my question to you guys is what would Edmonton have to give up to acquire Martin, Hjalmarsson and/or Methot?

Please don't include any of the big 4, or Klefbom, or any of Smid, Schultz, Petry. Anyone else is pretty much fair game.
Here come the Gagne and MPS proposals.

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06-28-2012, 03:32 PM
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Edmonton should trade one of Hall, RNH, Yakupov, Eberle to bring in a young Stud Dman.
I dont think MPS is going to get you the quality you want.

You have 4 young stars up front and none in the back end. Doesn't it make sense to move one to address a position of weakness.
The Canucks lack secondary scoring, you should trade one of the Sedins or Kesler for some.

Did you see the draft? The Oilers drafted 5 forwards and 2 defensemen.

Why? because they feel that they have prospects on the way up that are going to fill those roles on D.

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You would think. But apparently that comment gets you a double facepalm.

While Edmonton does have some interesting prospects in the minors/system I don't think any of them project to be a top pairing guy.
Wrong. Have u heard of Klefbom?

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Like the MPS idea.
If we trade MPS for ANY of the defensman listed, i will lose it. Seriously, Martin is a salary dump. He's adequate at best.

Oilers fans giving up on MPS are going to be very sorry when he comes back on another team to help beat us. Kid is good, give him a chance. Why sell when his value is at its lowest.

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MPS + Gagner for Franson. The Oilers get a potential #2 D man and the leaf's get 2 career 3rd liners (who I consider a bust considering their draft position).

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You would think. But apparently that comment gets you a double facepalm.

While Edmonton does have some interesting prospects in the minors/system I don't think any of them project to be a top pairing guy.
That works well for Oilers fans then, since Dmen are so hard to predict.

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I prefer "second pairing D on the most injured D in the league." It's much more accurate. He's currently penciled in on the bottom pairing because:
1) we rebuilt the blueline during the season, and
2) in the process found two pairs which have great chemistry together and so we don't want to break them up.

By similar logic, if Yakupov and Eberle both start in the top-6, Hemsky becomes a "defensively poor checking-line forward".
Edmonton's D was banged up also and they lost a lot to injuries, but they survived. Methot would be a salary dump and Edmonton wouldn't be interested, rather give Peckham or Teubert a chance. The need a PMD IMO more.

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MPS + Gagner for Franson. The Oilers get a potential #2 D man and the leaf's get 2 career 3rd liners (who I consider a bust considering their draft position).
The only player that is a bust here is that Pylon Franson, a 7th D on a team whose D was worse then Edmonton's. Franson a #2 D

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Id move Franson, but the Oilers don't have any pieces Id want (except the obvious ones that there is zero chance theyd move)

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If the Canucks sign Garrison, I see Ballard being moved.

Might look good on the Oil.

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usually I hate these proposal threads because they cause too much drama and trolling matches. but alot of these deals seem reasonable. I'd give a second for douglas murray. some paul martin deals sounds good. and if voynov was avaliable, i'd make a serious pitch.

What about
EDMS 1st 2013
Ryan Jones

for

Slava Voynov


amidoingthisrite?

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06-28-2012, 08:26 PM
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Edmonton's D was banged up also and they lost a lot to injuries, but they survived.


Top 6 defensemen for Edmonton versus for Columbus, games played:
Whitney (51) versus Wisniewski (48) - 3 more games
Smid (78) versus Tyutin (66) - 12 more games
Petry (73) versus Nikitin (54) - 19 more games
Potter (62) versus Martinek (7) - 55 more games
Peckham (54) versus Methot (46) - 8 more games
Gilbert (47) versus Clitsome (51) - 4 less games
Teubert (24) versus JMoore (67) - 43 less games
Sutton (52) versus AJohnson (56) - 4 less games
Barker (25) versus Lebda (30) - 5 less games
Plante (3) versus Savard (31) - 28 less games

And for the record...
Schultz (20, deadline) versus JJohnson (21, deadline) - 1 less game.


Oh, and...
Dubnyk: .914 SV%, 2.67 GAA, 47 games played in
Khabibulin: .910 SV%, 2.65 GAA, 40 games played in

versus
Mason: .894 SV%, 3.39 GAA, 46 games played in
Sanford: .911 SV%, 2.60 GAA, 36 games played in


That said, I can see why a PMD would be a greater priority. But don't pretend that Edmonton had it harder with blueline injuries or anything like that. It just ain't so.

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06-28-2012, 08:40 PM
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Top 6 defensemen for Edmonton versus for Columbus, games played:
Whitney (51) versus Wisniewski (48) - 3 more games
Smid (78) versus Tyutin (66) - 12 more games
Petry (73) versus Nikitin (54) - 19 more games
Potter (62) versus Martinek (7) - 55 more games
Peckham (54) versus Methot (46) - 8 more games
Gilbert (47) versus Clitsome (51) - 4 less games
Teubert (24) versus JMoore (67) - 43 less games
Sutton (52) versus AJohnson (56) - 4 less games
Barker (25) versus Lebda (30) - 5 less games
Plante (3) versus Savard (31) - 28 less games

And for the record...
Schultz (20, deadline) versus JJohnson (21, deadline) - 1 less game.


Oh, and...
Dubnyk: .914 SV%, 2.67 GAA, 47 games played in
Khabibulin: .910 SV%, 2.65 GAA, 40 games played in

versus
Mason: .894 SV%, 3.39 GAA, 46 games played in
Sanford: .911 SV%, 2.60 GAA, 36 games played in


That said, I can see why a PMD would be a greater priority. But don't pretend that Edmonton had it harder with blueline injuries or anything like that. It just ain't so.
Its very kind of you to consider Cam Barker and Corey Potter NHL defensemen.

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06-28-2012, 08:51 PM
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Its very kind of you to consider Cam Barker and Corey Potter NHL defensemen.
Well, I had to include Aaron Johnson and Brett Lebda, as they had to play a lot of games for us, so...

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