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View Poll Results: Should Pavel's number be retired?
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06-28-2012, 06:28 AM
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"Sure and while we're at it lets retire everyone who's played with the panthers!"

Yeah my thoughts are No.

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06-28-2012, 07:37 AM
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I'd sooner see #3 retired than #10.

Bure wasn't committed to this team, and no one considers Bure to be part of the Panthers' identity. He was an exciting flash in the pan in Panthers history, but you have to remember how he departed this team: deliberately tanking in order to get his coach fired. And that's an attitude that apparently rubbed off, since his teammate Jokinen did the same thing a few years later with a different coach/GM. Bure was the last to show up to games and practice and the first to leave after from what I'd read back then. He was here to showcase himself and nothing more - whether the team won or lost didn't matter to him, and that's why he almost never played defense. It was all the more grating the one time Murray challenged him publically about his one-way game, and he showed what a fantastic two-way player he was capable of being despite his smallish size...for one game. To make a point. And the point was, apparently, that Pavel Bure could do it all, but didn't choose to because winning scoring trophies was all that mattered to him.

Ridiculous to talk about retiring his number for two years of high scoring - especially when the team only made the playoffs in one of them and he didn't score at all in a 4-game sweep.

Paul Laus on the other hand...his entire career was with the Panthers, and he gave his heart and soul for the team...and eventually his career, doing what he was supposed to do in a game.

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06-28-2012, 11:11 PM
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Not a chance. Too short a stay, not enough of an impact. Many might not even remember he was a Panther. Gotta be franchise guy for a while, just like others that are retired around the league.

My big thing against it as well, I still remember quite vividly how there would be 30 seconds left of the game, he'd finish his shift and start unlacing his skates! WHAT?! The game is not over till the buzzer sounds! We saw him do that a number of times. No player that does that should have the honor of being retired for the team, much less the first to be retired!

I say Weiss for sure if things stay as they were, I'd really love it for more reasons than mentioned here. It would be beyond great. But even as much as I'd love it, he too has not earned it yet, but I think he's the closest.

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06-30-2012, 06:31 PM
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Not a chance. Too short a stay, not enough of an impact. Many might not even remember he was a Panther. Gotta be franchise guy for a while, just like others that are retired around the league.

My big thing against it as well, I still remember quite vividly how there would be 30 seconds left of the game, he'd finish his shift and start unlacing his skates! WHAT?! The game is not over till the buzzer sounds! We saw him do that a number of times. No player that does that should have the honor of being retired for the team, much less the first to be retired!

I say Weiss for sure if things stay as they were, I'd really love it for more reasons than mentioned here. It would be beyond great. But even as much as I'd love it, he too has not earned it yet, but I think he's the closest.
whaaaaat? You gotta be bleepin' me! Did you see him play?

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06-30-2012, 09:02 PM
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whaaaaat? You gotta be bleepin' me! Did you see him play?
I did. And in the main scheme of things, he did nothing for the Florida Panthers other than winning a goal scoring race 2 seasons in a row and leading them to a goalless playoff sweep. Doesn't deserve a trophy, banner, plaque, t-shirt, ashtray and any other stupid trinket you can bestow upon a player for his short time with this team. Where's all this stuff coming from anyway? If I were a fan of another team, I'd be dropping by our boards to laugh at what the Panther fans consider jersey retirement worthy players. Are we still hockey fans?

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07-01-2012, 12:23 AM
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I'd sooner see #3 retired than #10.

Bure wasn't committed to this team, and no one considers Bure to be part of the Panthers' identity. He was an exciting flash in the pan in Panthers history, but you have to remember how he departed this team: deliberately tanking in order to get his coach fired. And that's an attitude that apparently rubbed off, since his teammate Jokinen did the same thing a few years later with a different coach/GM. Bure was the last to show up to games and practice and the first to leave after from what I'd read back then. He was here to showcase himself and nothing more - whether the team won or lost didn't matter to him, and that's why he almost never played defense. It was all the more grating the one time Murray challenged him publically about his one-way game, and he showed what a fantastic two-way player he was capable of being despite his smallish size...for one game. To make a point. And the point was, apparently, that Pavel Bure could do it all, but didn't choose to because winning scoring trophies was all that mattered to him.

Ridiculous to talk about retiring his number for two years of high scoring - especially when the team only made the playoffs in one of them and he didn't score at all in a 4-game sweep.

Paul Laus on the other hand...his entire career was with the Panthers, and he gave his heart and soul for the team...and eventually his career, doing what he was supposed to do in a game.
I don't like the idea either, and the above is the best reason I've read so far.

When should someone's jersey be retired then?

Not easy to have explicit rules, but a few things I would like to have:
1. A player needs to be an outstanding individual. A good player with lots of heart is not enough.
2. When a player's name is mentioned, your first vision of him should be in our uniform.
3. A player needs to be linked strongly to the team and hopefully also the community. He needs to have shown unselfishness and willingness to sacrifice for the team.
4. We should have won something with him.

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07-01-2012, 11:58 AM
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I'd sooner see #3 retired than #10.

Bure wasn't committed to this team, and no one considers Bure to be part of the Panthers' identity. He was an exciting flash in the pan in Panthers history, but you have to remember how he departed this team: deliberately tanking in order to get his coach fired. And that's an attitude that apparently rubbed off, since his teammate Jokinen did the same thing a few years later with a different coach/GM. Bure was the last to show up to games and practice and the first to leave after from what I'd read back then. He was here to showcase himself and nothing more - whether the team won or lost didn't matter to him, and that's why he almost never played defense. It was all the more grating the one time Murray challenged him publically about his one-way game, and he showed what a fantastic two-way player he was capable of being despite his smallish size...for one game. To make a point. And the point was, apparently, that Pavel Bure could do it all, but didn't choose to because winning scoring trophies was all that mattered to him.

Ridiculous to talk about retiring his number for two years of high scoring - especially when the team only made the playoffs in one of them and he didn't score at all in a 4-game sweep.

Paul Laus on the other hand...his entire career was with the Panthers, and he gave his heart and soul for the team...and eventually his career, doing what he was supposed to do in a game.

As a big Bure fan, I would love to see his number retired but I agree that his short stint with our organization makes it a tough argument. However, I do take issue with your rant about him and how no one sees him as part of our identity. You are incorrect. Aside from him being a prominent figure in our own den of honor, many fans, including myself recall with fond memories the contributions he made to this team during a very exciting time. He was alone worth the price of admission and was the best pure scorer in the game while he was playing. Apparently, the NHL hall of fame agrees, since he was inducted based on the play you are criticizing. He is the best player to ever wear a panthers uniform. Was he a defensive specialists? No but he was paid to score and score he did. In fact, your not only threw him under the bus but also Olli, the two best scores in our history to date. A lot of what has been said about these two players comes from the media as we hear about athletes in any sport. For every negative story that is dug up or made up, you can bring up a positive one. Bure played 30 minutes a game, more than any other forward in the league, with little talent next to him, covered by the other teams best defensemen and was still asked to score a lot, and he did. And our brilliant media expected him to play defensively as well? He has played injured on many occasions and was more than accommodating to the panthers and the fans in all efforts to promote the team and the league. He listened to our ownership talk about adding players to complement him and instead the best center he had feeding him was victor kozlov.

While I love Paul and what he did for our team, he was merely a third line defenseman and a goon, so if we had to retire a number, Bure and Olli would be much more appropriate. right now we don't have a player truly worthy of this honor, maybe Weiss or Campbell will eventually be from this group, but we are a long way from that discussion.

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