Kindl outplayed Ericsson when they were paired together early on last season when. Ericsson is currently slotted as the team's #3 defenseman. Don't sell the guy short; put him in the lineup and you might be surprised. I think Quincey might quickly become expendable given cap hit and skill set. If the Wings only sign one defenseman (Suter!!), look for Quincey vs. Kindl to quickly become a matchup of "who can play better defensively" to fill that hole in the lineup.
I don't think Kindl outplayed Ericsson, but that aside I wouldn't be opposed to a Quincey vs Kindl competition. Might make them both better. But alas, I think the organization holds Quincey in too high of esteem to put him in that situation. He's about to re-sign for more than I'd like, and then be given a guaranteed spot in the top-6.
I don't think Kindl outplayed Ericsson, but that aside I wouldn't be opposed to a Quincey vs Kindl competition. Might make them both better. But alas, I think the organization holds Quincey in too high of esteem to put him in that situation. He's about to re-sign for more than I'd like, and then be given a guaranteed spot in the top-6.
He's going to re-sign for $3.25m. Exactly. Holland will not be offering him a cent more than his QO given that he is not even worth that. Look for probably a 3 year deal. Gets him turning UFA at 30, so we'll have a good idea of his value to the team at that point and his age will not be a factor in his favor any longer. If he stays outside the top three, he'll either be cut loose, traded, or signed for less (at least equivalent to the cap, if not actual) while guys like Smith, White, and even Ericsson will likely be much more cemented into the roster.
Kindl's future hinges on putting his tools together and finding his defensive game. Think of Jiri Fischer before he found his offense, only Kindl's not nearly as good.
He's going to re-sign for $3.25m. Exactly. Holland will not be offering him a cent more than his QO given that he is not even worth that.
I most certainly hope you are right, but I don't believe it. Especially after reports saying Quincey is now holding out. At this point, ideally, I'd like the Wings to sign Suter and another UFA dman, and then jettison Quincey altogether. Trading for him was a mistake, no need to compound it.
I most certainly hope you are right, but I don't believe it. Especially after reports saying Quincey is now holding out. At this point, ideally, I'd like the Wings to sign Suter and another UFA dman, and then jettison Quincey altogether. Trading for him was a mistake, no need to compound it.
Pretty strong "woe is Kindl" vibe here. But he hasn't really done anything to deserve a bigger chance. He was mediocre against bottom-of-the-barrel competition and, previous to that, did a lot to make people doubt him. Looks like he's still what people have said about him for years.... a guy with a lot of tools, but lacks the toolbox.
I don't recall anybody saying that he's earned or deserves significantly more minutes. It sounds like several people think that if he were given that opportunity, he has the ability to take advantage of it and excel. Those are two different things.
I don't recall anybody saying that he's earned or deserves significantly more minutes. It sounds like several people think that if he were given that opportunity, he has the ability to take advantage of it and excel. Those are two different things.
The post right above the one of mine you quoted reads:
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He's a good player who could develop more, if given the opportunity. He just hasn't been given a fair shake here in Detroit yet.
Woe.
Another....
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its not fair to him to hold him back
Woe.
And when multiple people are saying that he could be so much more, if he were just given the chance.... it sounds like "woe" to me. I wonder how many people would think that if he weren't a 1st round draft pick.
For the record, I'm not opposed to him getting a bigger role and giving him a bigger chance. See what happens. But I'm in no way convinced this kid will ever be top-4 material.
Kindl has decent tools offensively, but his skill is enough to compensate for what can only be called a lack of courage. Beyond being soft, Kindl plays scared...as if he wants to avoid any physical aspect of the game. I don't think he has much of a future with the Wings or in the league period. Wouldnt be suprised if he plays most of his career in Europe.
Babcock's quote on NHL live today was that he wants to "stockpile as many 'D' as he can." I think he plans on holding on to Quincey and every other D-man on our roster as long as we don't miss out on Suter.
If we do, then I full expect one of our roster defensemen to be involved in a trade for a top-4 dman.
The post right above the one of mine you quoted reads:
Woe.
Another....
Woe.
And when multiple people are saying that he could be so much more, if he were just given the chance.... it sounds like "woe" to me. I wonder how many people would think that if he weren't a 1st round draft pick.
For the record, I'm not opposed to him getting a bigger role and giving him a bigger chance. See what happens. But I'm in no way convinced this kid will ever be top-4 material.
In my first response, I explained that, contrary to what you implied, people aren't saying that Kindl has been treated unfairly with regard to ice time or that he is deserving of anything more than he's been given. So why are you repeating this vague "woe is Kindl" comment?
And anyway, two people is "a pretty strong woe is Kindl vibe"? The second person you quoted said he should probably be traded because he likely won't reach his potential here. The part you left out of that quote was: "He's not going to pan out in Detroit". Sure sounds like woe is Kindl to me.
In my first response, I explained that, contrary to what you implied, people aren't saying that Kindl has been treated unfairly with regard to ice time or that he is deserving of anything more than he's been given. So why are you repeating this vague "woe is Kindl" comment?
I just gave you two examples of people saying he has been treated unfairly, and you're still stating the bold and asking me that?
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And anyway, two people is "a pretty strong woe is Kindl vibe"?
On top of all the people saying he could be better, if he just got the chance. That may be more passive than the other comments, but that vibe holds an inherent implication, imo. Regardless, it's not just this thread, people have been wringing their hands over this Kindl issue for a long time. This idea that he's being held back unfairly.
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The second person you quoted said he should probably be traded because he likely won't reach his potential here. The part you left out of that quote was: "He's not going to pan out in Detroit". Sure sounds like woe is Kindl to me.
It doesn't matter that that was left out. The poster said he has been treated unfairly. What he thinks could happen with Kindl in other organizations is irrelevant.
Babcock had some pretty nice things to say about him in the NHL live thread down the page. Not totally different in that he states both Smith and Kindl need to win jobs, but stated both have improved a lot. He also noted liking Kindl's size, puck moving abilities and shot. Didn't realize Kindl was tipping the scales at close to 220 these days.
