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06-29-2012, 02:42 AM
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When is the E gunna get replay; also variate the icing rule?

I see the AHL is finally getting replay this year:

http://theahl.com/board-of-governors...cludes-p178164

I see something weird with the icing rule being done here:

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• The Board has also approved a test of a variation on Rule 81 (“Icing”) at the request of the National Hockey League, that will, in the event of a potential icing violation, complete the play should a defending player be the first to reach the end zone face-off dots and provided the puck has crossed the goal line at that point. This rule will be in effect until Nov. 19, 2012, at which time its continued use will be determined by the Board. This was the only rules test approved.
I would like to see the E do this on those icings where the team that sent it down is going to get to the puck first. I've always thought that variation should be thrown in to the no touch.

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I see the AHL is finally getting replay this year:

http://theahl.com/board-of-governors...cludes-p178164

I see something weird with the icing rule being done here:



I would like to see the E do this on those icings where the team that sent it down is going to get to the puck first. I've always thought that variation should be thrown in to the no touch.
The icing rule is a hybrid rule that I have seen used in college hockey. I like it and think that it will work better. So long as the nonicing team actually makes an effort to get to the puck which this should.

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Yeah, no surprise about the hybrid icing change in the AHL. It's something that the NHL has been considering for a little while now and it was figured that they'd experiment with it in the AHL as they've always liked using that league as a laboratory of sorts before implementing rule changes.

If the NHL picks it up as well, I'm sure that the ECHL will adopt hybrid icing, too.

As for replay.... um.... maybe they just want to be cheap and not spend so much on the necessary cameras in every arena?

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I guess I don't get this hybrid icing thing. I'm not a big hockey guy. i don't watch or follow the NHL. I mean when I go to Jackals games I get the "basic" rules that make up of the average game. But if the team weren't here I wouldn't follow or care about the minors at all.

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Yeah, no surprise about the hybrid icing change in the AHL. It's something that the NHL has been considering for a little while now and it was figured that they'd experiment with it in the AHL as they've always liked using that league as a laboratory of sorts before implementing rule changes.

If the NHL picks it up as well, I'm sure that the ECHL will adopt hybrid icing, too.

As for replay.... um.... maybe they just want to be cheap and not spend so much on the necessary cameras in every arena?
The sad thing is, the cameras already in place pick up nearly every necessary replay.
2 years ago in Toledo, we scored a GW goal in the final minutes, ref and judge didn't see it.
I was behind the net in the zam tunnel and the puck was in there. Team goes ballistic of course.
Ref talks to judge, then talks to box, meanwhile the tv cam is showing it on the bigscreen
clear as day, over the line. Players are near molesting the ref to just look up, but he wouldn't.
Can't do that! Can't do replay! Waves no goal. Crowd ready to riot.

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The sad thing is, the cameras already in place pick up nearly every necessary replay.
2 years ago in Toledo, we scored a GW goal in the final minutes, ref and judge didn't see it.
I was behind the net in the zam tunnel and the puck was in there. Team goes ballistic of course.
Ref talks to judge, then talks to box, meanwhile the tv cam is showing it on the bigscreen
clear as day, over the line. Players are near molesting the ref to just look up, but he wouldn't.
Can't do that! Can't do replay! Waves no goal. Crowd ready to riot.
In the old Toledo Sports Arena you could just throw the chairs on the ice!

In Milwaukee a few years ago the puck went through the south net, more than once. The BC finally replaced the nets or at least the twine after a few weeks. One linesman looked for a hole but couldn't find it. I believe that the twine became stretched out, allowing the puck to pass through it. Both the Admirals and visitors lost goals over the few weeks. Would replay fix that?

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I am curious....what is actually needed in an arena to be repay eligible??? Is a jumbotron a necessity?

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I am curious....what is actually needed in an arena to be repay eligible??? Is a jumbotron a necessity?
actually I think that the jumbotron should be the last option. In order to have consistent replay, i.m.o. you need at least two cameras (side view and top view) with a constant stream to a recording. I would put a CCTV in the scorekeepers area where the referee would be able to view it and communicate with the video guys to get the exact views that they need.

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Interesting.....i'm not sure every arena could do it. I could picture Wheeling and Elmira having potential issues.

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Yep. I always thought that those two were the reason that we couldn't have replay. I remember when the Aces played in Elmira, I didn't see a jumbotron or anything to show replay of some sort.

I remember game one of the 2009 finals between the Aces and the Stingrays. Aces scored a game tying goal with a minute to go. It crossed the line (I sit behind the net), but the goal judge didn't hit the light. Despite the players mobbing the ref to look at the jumbotron (showing that the puck crossed the line), the ref called it no goal. Stingrays won 4-3, and the crowd was about ready to kill the goal judge. He had to be escorted out of the arena from what I heard.

Some Aces fans are still mad about it because they say it cost us a Kelly Cup. Of course, we would have had to win the game in OT, but it still stings.

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In the old Toledo Sports Arena you could just throw the chairs on the ice!

In Milwaukee a few years ago the puck went through the south net, more than once. The BC finally replaced the nets or at least the twine after a few weeks. One linesman looked for a hole but couldn't find it. I believe that the twine became stretched out, allowing the puck to pass through it. Both the Admirals and visitors lost goals over the few weeks. Would replay fix that?
I'd rather clean chairs off the ice than try to scrape soda and beer off of it. Or worse yet, get screwed over
on glowstick night.

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The sad thing is, the cameras already in place pick up nearly every necessary replay.
No, they aren't. At a minimum you would need an overhead shot of each goal, plus some kind of front or side view. Most ECHL arenas have 1 camera - the one required by the league for taping the game from high up at center ice, and the feed used for the online feed. Most ECHL arenas don't have video replay on the scoreboard or even have a jumbo tron.

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clear as day, over the line. Players are near molesting the ref to just look up, but he wouldn't.
Can't do that! Can't do replay! Waves no goal. Crowd ready to riot.
Exactly right. If they can't use replay to review every questionable goal in every game, they can't use is for the occasional one that happens to get caught on tape in a building that has a screen.

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actually I think that the jumbotron should be the last option. In order to have consistent replay, i.m.o. you need at least two cameras (side view and top view) with a constant stream to a recording. I would put a CCTV in the scorekeepers area where the referee would be able to view it and communicate with the video guys to get the exact views that they need.
Make that four cameras, two at each end - plus the one at center ice is five. That also means five camera operators for 36 games, plus a central booth for the recording equipment, and someone to oversee it. That is a bunch of money that most teams don't have.

I think they will go to two refs before they go to video review, and I don't think they will go to two refs any time soon.

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They need to, not even sure they have 5 good refs in this league.

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Exactly - and if they added 12 more they would be the 12 they didn't hire last year because they weren't good enough.

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