I can't believe I'm on the same page as the mods on this one.
I lose respect for a player when he takes to the Internet like a child who didn't get everything on his Christmas list.
He's very replaceable, and did nothing to deserve the kind of raise he's looking for, especially in the playoffs.
Why do people here keep forgetting that Sather did the same thing by going to Brooks?
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Sucks that Prust is most likely gone. He was a good soldier and I liked the story of the guy who was told he was just an extra forward coming to NY and hitting his stride.
Does everyone think that there's absolutely no chance of him resigning? Say UFA day comes and he doesn't get anything much higher than what Sather offered, or he talked to the teammates and realized he wants to stay, etc. - you guys think Sather is petty enough to not resign the guy for the original amount offered because of the tweet? Sather wasn't exactly a gentleman about the whole thing. Seems stupid to be aggressive yourself and then blame your "opponent" for doing the same. You gotta hope building the best team possible overrides everything else in this case.
Sucks that Prust is most likely gone. He was a good soldier and I liked the story of the guy who was told he was just an extra forward coming to NY and hitting his stride.
Does everyone think that there's absolutely no chance of him resigning? Say UFA day comes and he doesn't get anything much higher than what Sather offered, or he talked to the teammates and realized he wants to stay, etc. - you guys think Sather is petty enough to not resign the guy for the original amount offered because of the tweet? Sather wasn't exactly a gentleman about the whole thing. Seems stupid to be aggressive yourself and then blame your "opponent" for doing the same. You gotta hope building the best team possible overrides everything else in this case.
he'd probably be getting far less than the reported 1.8m if he came crawling back to sather.
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Originally Posted by Hightide85
Sure, Sather shares some of the culpability, but as we learned in kindergarten; "two wrongs don't make a right".
prust did nothing but restate what sather said. management said they weren't "married" to prust. prust said he was married to the fans, but not management.
this is hockey. to think our fans get this butthurt over a tweet that didn't even say anything... ... maybe sather should just drop the gloves and get it over with
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Doubt you're right about that. It isn't like Sather's pulled the offer off the table.
let's look at this the simple way. no substantial offers on the table, prust's agent talks to sather about getting a deal done, sather is a smart man and realizes there's probably not a team out there offering top dollar for him, slats offers 1.4 take it or leave it.
Doubt you're right about that. It isn't like Sather's pulled the offer off the table.
if you're buying something and you know the seller is desperate, you're going to low ball. we don't know for sure if it would be the same offer or lower(or even higher for that matter), but honestly sather is right(though i disagree with his method): we can be a good team with or without prust. if prust isn't happy with his other offers and comes crawling back then it is clear that he wants to be here and our management can take advantage of that and low ball him.
Thing with Prust is if he does realize that he overvalued himself and wants to come back, there may be no room for him here. All it takes is a couple of hours on July 1st to replace him with someone that does something similar. The Rangers won't be waiting on him to sign somewhere else.
yes, **** pain. the true value of a man is in how he tweets.
You don't make sense. Prust played like garbage in the playoffs and he goes to social media like a baby, good riddance. He's replaceable. Konopka can fight win faceoffs and stir the pot.
You don't make sense. Prust played like garbage in the playoffs and he goes to social media like a baby, good riddance. He's replaceable. Konopka can fight win faceoffs and stir the pot.
once again...played like 'garbage' in the playoffs(actually since january) with a torn tendon in his finger... go to social media like a baby? he could probably lay you out with 1 hand. he went to the social media in response to sather going to the media. basically saying thanks for the support fans. i'm not playing under sather.
let's look at this the simple way. no substantial offers on the table, prust's agent talks to sather about getting a deal done, sather is a smart man and realizes there's probably not a team out there offering top dollar for him, slats offers 1.4 take it or leave it.
I doubt it gets that far. I'm guessing that Sather pursues his other options on day 1 or 2. If this is the case - By the time Prust gets his other offers and decides to come back the deal probably won't be on the table...
Bring in Tootoo to replace Prust. Tootoo is a beast for a guy his size. He's a great fighter, taking on guys much bigger than him. He's also an excellent hitter. 30p last season. not too shabby.
once again...played like 'garbage' in the playoffs(actually since january) with a torn tendon in his finger... go to social media like a baby? he could probably lay you out with 1 hand. he went to the social media in response to sather going to the media. basically saying thanks for the support fans. i'm not playing under sather.
That's nice, has absolutely nothing to do with anything if he can "lay me out with one hand", the fact of the matter is what Prust did should be frowned upon. What has he done in his career to deserve the right to make a comment like that when demanding way more than his worth? I'd take the 2.2 Brandon wants and give it to Travis Moen, at least he can actually play hockey.
Bring in Tootoo to replace Prust. Tootoo is a beast for a guy his size. He's a great fighter, taking on guys much bigger than him. He's also an excellent hitter. 30p last season. not too shabby.
I just don;t like Tootoo's discipline. He takes stupid penalties at times. You don't really get that with Prust. Prust was great on the PK. I wouldn't want Tootoo out there.
I hope Prust comes back down to earth and re-signs.
I just don;t like Tootoo's discipline. He takes stupid penalties at times.
While I won't argue too strenously, Tootoo HAS gotten better. He dialed it back a notch. He's drawn more penalties than he has taken every year for the past few years.
He's a blend of what we got from Avery, Hollweg, and Prust. I think he'd be popular in NY, and successful.
I just don;t like Tootoo's discipline. He takes stupid penalties at times. You don't really get that with Prust. Prust was great on the PK. I wouldn't want Tootoo out there.
I hope Prust comes back down to earth and re-signs.
there is no perfect player, especially within the category of enforcer/agitator types. Tootoo is very aggressive at times and would have to adjust. We don't have to use him on the PK.
I like the fact that he can take the opposition out with his hitting ability. the guys is so low to the ground, that he has alot of leverage when he takes the body. I think he'd be really good here.
Sather tries to negotiate in the media and leaks info to the press all the time, and so do the agents. Nothing new there.
But usually the player will let their agent do the talking for them in the media when discussing negotiations. And if the players do comment on it, they usually make some benign statement like "we are working on it, I hope to return, this is the only place I want to be, etc." If Prust said something like that, it wouldn't be a big deal.
I understand what Prust was trying to do... get the fans on his good side and try to blame management for the predicament he's in. But I think it backfired for the most part... we know that management does want him back, they just aren't wiling to overpay him.
Dubinsky, Staal, etc. have gone through the negotiating process with Sather and it wasn't easy. Dubinsky went through a similar situation to Prust... Sather leaked his contract demands to the media, but Dubi kept quiet and his agent said "we have no interest in negotiating it this through the newspaper." Prust probably should have done the same.
That's nice, has absolutely nothing to do with anything if he can "lay me out with one hand", the fact of the matter is what Prust did should be frowned upon. What has he done in his career to deserve the right to make a comment like that when demanding way more than his worth? I'd take the 2.2 Brandon wants and give it to Travis Moen, at least he can actually play hockey.
i don't see how his tweet had anything to do with being a 'baby'. what's he supposed to do give sather a big wet kiss? didn't say anything wrong... said the management didn't want him-- which is pretty much what sather said..
and once again the rumored cost is exactly that... a rumor.
why the hell should his comment be frowned upon!? because he said something against a guy who just dropped his value to the league? good. he stood up for himself knowing that it will basically kill any chance he had of staying in the apple. that's something to respect.
i don't see how his tweet had anything to do with being a 'baby'. what's he supposed to do give sather a big wet kiss? didn't say anything wrong... said the management didn't want him-- which is pretty much what sather said..
and once again the rumored cost is exactly that... a rumor.
why the hell should his comment be frowned upon!? because he said something against a guy who just dropped his value to the league? good. he stood up for himself knowing that it will basically kill any chance he had of staying in the apple. that's something to respect.
Whether or not you like him, Sather is an icon in the sport and a well respected guy among GMs. understand that a fourth line player like Prust will only have so much leverage with a GM like Glen Sather.
Saying he wasn't married to Prust, did not drop his value to the league. Sather never said he didn't want him back. He said basically, I don't HAVE TO HAVE HIM BACK.
What Prust should've tweeted was: "Too bad management doesn't want me back at my price".
What Prust should've tweeted was: "Too bad management doesn't want me back at my price".
Exactly. The Rangers were/are willing to give the guy a $1,000,000 raise...which is a hell of a lot for someone previously making well under 1M. Not to mention a forward who happens to only score about 4 goals/year. I'd love to have Brandon back...but at a fair price. 2M+ is not a fair price.
... maybe sather should just drop the gloves and get it over with 
