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06-29-2012, 08:22 AM
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There is no imminent debacles beyond those contrived on message boards and whiner lines when Miller gives up 3 more goals.

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06-29-2012, 08:47 AM
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Also, there will absolutely always be a market for Miller throughout his contract. Buying him out would add unnecessary remnants on your cap and deprive you of getting assets out of him. If the time comes to move him, the best solution is to trade him.

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06-29-2012, 08:48 AM
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Enroth has to learn how to close up that 5-hole before I want him as the starting goaltender for the Sabres.

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06-29-2012, 09:03 AM
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The only impending debacle I foresee is the possibility Enroth's first name is engraved without the "h" on the Cup next June, and then with the "h" in June 2014. "Ryan Miller" is of course easy to spell, so they won't mess that up either year.

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06-29-2012, 09:40 AM
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Miller makes too much for my taste. And that's not because I'm a fan of Enroth. Id rather have a team of guys all equally paid and contributing than a few overpaid guys who can/do get injured and slump.


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06-29-2012, 10:02 AM
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Miller makes too much for my taste. And that's not because I'm a fan of Enroth. Is rather have a team of guys all equally paid and contributing than a few overpaid guys who can/do get injured and slump.
That's a perfectly valid viewpoint (there's a very worthwhile debate on the true value of goalies, especially at high salaries) but after deciding you don't want Miller at that salary, there's no practical solution until there's a replacement.

Enroth should not currently be considered a replacement.

That's not to say he won't or wouldn't already be capable, but he hasn't even come close to proving that he is; it would therefore be completely reckless to move Miller in order to promote him.

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06-29-2012, 10:19 AM
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Put me in the camp that is a ways away from declaring Enroth as a guy who is capable of pushing Miller out the door. We really just haven't seen it yet. If Miller suffers an equivalent Hasek 1999-2000 groin injury and Enroth gets a solid 20-30 games then I'll be more open to the idea. And I'm not automatically writing him off because of his size, I think he has tremendous reflexes which can compensate for his stature, but he's struggled with consistency when he was trying to be a 60-game goalie in Portland, I'm not sure he can do it in the NHL. No looming debacle, IMO.

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Noronen should start

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I doubt Ruff plays Enroth as much as last year if possible. He's on the hot seat, and he doesn't like playing back-ups anyways. Barring injury, I see Miller getting about 65-70 starts. Miller being on his game will lead to Ruff extending his lifeline here in Buffalo. He's not going to sacrifice his job to see if Enroth is ready to be the starter.

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Enroth has to learn how to close up that 5-hole before I want him as the starting goaltender for the Sabres.
Heck with just the 5-hole, under his blocker and under his arm too. The guy is made of holes.

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There is no imminent debacles beyond those contrived on message boards and whiner lines when Miller gives up 3 more goals.
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I doubt Ruff plays Enroth as much as last year if possible. He's on the hot seat, and he doesn't like playing back-ups anyways. Barring injury, I see Miller getting about 65-70 starts. Miller being on his game will lead to Ruff extending his lifeline here in Buffalo. He's not going to sacrifice his job to see if Enroth is ready to be the starter.
I haven't heard that Ruff's job was on the line.... quite the opposite really

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Miller makes too much for my taste. And that's not because I'm a fan of Enroth. Is rather have a team of guys all equally paid and contributing than a few overpaid guys who can/do get injured and slump.
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I haven't heard that Ruff's job was on the line.... quite the opposite really
I'm thinking if they miss the playoffs again, they'll at least contemplate moving Ruff.

I just don't think Ruff is trying to think that far down the road that he'd give Enroth starts just so they can see what they have. It's just not his MO.

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I'm thinking if they miss the playoffs again, they'll at least contemplate moving Ruff.

I just don't think Ruff is trying to think that far down the road that he'd give Enroth starts just so they can see what they have. It's just not his MO.
I hope they do as well. But I hope Regier is secure for the next few years unless he blatantly screws something up. I really think he's on the right track here and I wouldn't want him replaced unless it's with someone who wouldn't want to blow his path up.

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That's a perfectly valid viewpoint (there's a very worthwhile debate on the true value of goalies, especially at high salaries) but after deciding you don't want Miller at that salary, there's no practical solution until there's a replacement.

Enroth should not currently be considered a replacement.

That's not to say he won't or wouldn't already be capable, but he hasn't even come close to proving that he is; it would therefore be completely reckless to move Miller in order to promote him.
Miller wasn't really head and shoulders above Biron and Noronen at the time he was given the job either.

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Miller wasn't really head and shoulders above Biron and Noronen at the time he was given the job either.
Miller won out in a competition among 3 young goalies. Ryan Miller is a top goalie and Enroth is an unproven back-up prospect. I don't see the similarities in situation. Enroth has certainly done nothing to gain the kind of status Miller had before 05-06.

Miller had a really good season with the Amerks during the lockout -- putting him in great position -- and then in 05-06, Noronen had a terrible performance over his only 4 games, as Miller outperformed Biron over the course of the season with both getting a large amount of games, effectively winning the job.

Enroth has to start stealing games from Miller before anyone would think he is NHL starter material much less can take Miller's job.

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06-29-2012, 11:12 PM
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Enroth has to start stealing games from Miller before anyone would think he is NHL starter material much less can take Miller's job.
I like where your heads at

Hey Enroth, you want the freaking starting job? Do you? Then take it from Miller! Earn it. Prove it. Do it.


Or be a career backup. Make your choice. This is the year!

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Fuel for the fire that all the Miller-haters will no doubt support:

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BUFFALO — OK, so where does Ryan Miller, the 2009-10 Vezina Trophy winner and Team USA Olympic hero, rank among NHL goalies right now?

Consider the following: his goals-against average the last two seasons has ranked 22nd and 22nd; his save percentage has ranked 18th and 19th; last year, he failed to backstop his team to the postseason for the third time in five seasons.

Based on the recent past, Miller’s probably an average netminder.

Is he better than, say, St. Louis journeyman Brian Elliott, who enjoyed a career season in 2011-12, posting a league-best 1.56 goals-against average after barely making the Blues? Yes. Miller still has a better body of work than many of the goalies statistically better than him.

But it’s hard to keep arguing Miller’s an elite goalie when he’s generating below-average numbers on a non-playoff team.
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When Milan Lucic’s wicked hit Nov. 12 in Boston concussed Miller, the 31-year-old tended the worst goal of his career following his return, going 6-9-2 with a 3.32 goals-against average and .889 save percentage during a terrible 18-game stretch.

If Miller had been even average during that stretch, the Sabres likely would’ve won a few more games and made the playoffs.

Miller, of course, got going, possibly performing as well as ever. He posted dynamic numbers – 20-6-5, 2.04 and 9.32 – from late January on. However, he stumbled again late – 1-3-0, 3.74, .877 – after the Sabres moved into eighth place briefly.

Clearly, when Miller’s on, he’s one of the true greats. It’s just that for the past two seasons he’s been on for only the final few months.

He said in April an “enough is enough” attitude helped turn his season around. It’s an attitude he should start embracing again in September
http://niagara-gazette.com/prosports...age-NHL-goalie

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