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06-28-2012, 09:21 PM
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Is there any love left for our forgotten young centers?

With all the excitement over Hodgson/Ennis for this season and Grigs/Girgs from the draft for the future. Are Sundher, Catenacci and Adam afterthoughts at this point?

Or do folks see them mattering in some way? Other than trade bait that is

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06-28-2012, 09:27 PM
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I know I couldn't care less about Adam right now but the jury is still out on the other two. I want to see how they perform in Rochester.

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Catenacci easily intrigues me the most out of that group.

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06-28-2012, 09:29 PM
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Well, you can't blame people for getting distracted considering the circumstances, especially since the newly added centers both profile better than Sundher/Catenacci (is Adam even a center anymore at this point?) Grigs/Girgs are they shiny new object, but the also have higher ceilings and, probably, lower floors than the centers prospects already in the organization.

I think it's actually a good thing. Sundher and Catenacci both have work to do to complete their games and it's probably to their benefit for their profiles to be lowered by the recent additions. IMO, if we're talking about either before 2014 that means they're ahead of schedule.

And I'll repeat my statement from earlier, do we even know if Adam is still a center at this point?

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06-28-2012, 09:32 PM
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I'm still crazy excited about Catenacci and hopeful about Adam. Sundher I don't know very much about...stats look good but that's basically it.

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06-28-2012, 09:38 PM
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I think Adam's time in Buffalo is coming to an end. I still like what I see from Cat, he could have a future with the big club. Sundher is an average prospect to be honest the only chance he had of making this team was when our centre depth was as thin as it was to start last season

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06-28-2012, 09:41 PM
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Shape of...... future top 9 wingers!

Form of..... trade bait!

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06-28-2012, 09:43 PM
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I think Adam ultimately gets moved, or at the least, ends up as a poor man's Dave Andreychuk on LW. His footspeed will hold him back from center. Hodgson's not the quickest either, but I think he's more adaptable and can slow the game down better.

I'm excited about Catenacci, though at best he's going to be a lesser version of Ennis. He's easy to overlook with two centers over 6' now in the system, though with his skill level, not easy to discount.

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06-28-2012, 09:52 PM
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Adam is a winger and I don't know about his NHL prospects right now.
Catenacci probably has a shot at being a third line utility winger.
I've never been high on Sundher and don't think he'll become anything at the NHL level.

Thankfully we don't have to count on any of these guys to become anything special anymore.

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06-28-2012, 09:54 PM
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I think there's less pressure...before we really needed for them to pan out because we had nothing else. Then we got Hodgson, Grigs, and Girgs. Now, if Adam (though I think he's gonna be a winger)/Catenacci/Sundher do it's a bonus to be happy about.

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06-28-2012, 10:11 PM
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Maybe if their names were Gradams, Girtannaci, or Gundher..... Are those their names?

No? Take a hike!

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Maybe if their names were Gradams, Girtannaci, or Gundher..... Are those their names?

No? Take a hike!
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Catenacci is still one of my favorite prospects in the system. I'd be shocked if he didn't have an NHL career. I hope it's with us!

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im very excited for Sunder... even though he might be the least likely NHLer of those 3.

When was the last time we had a guy with decent enough size, excellent skating ability, and playmaker tools... who we could leave on the farm and actual groom?

we've forced a lot of wingers to center in rochester/portland the last 4 years... it will be nice to have an solid prospect to groom over time down there.

I expect catenacci to dominate 1 more year of juniors

luke adam... get his ass back on the wing before he's completely ruined.

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06-28-2012, 10:50 PM
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My question as others have touched on is are they centers or wingers?

It's tough to tell at this point and I think we will have a much better understanding after development camp and training camp as well. The big question for me is weather the front office and coaching staff really believe that Grigorenko will/should be on the team this year.

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im very excited for Sunder... even though he might be the least likely NHLer of those 3.

When was the last time we had a guy with decent enough size, excellent skating ability, and playmaker tools... who we could leave on the farm and actual groom?

we've forced a lot of wingers to center in rochester/portland the last 4 years... it will be nice to have an solid prospect to groom over time down there.

I expect catenacci to dominate 1 more year of juniors

luke adam... get his ass back on the wing before he's completely ruined.
Also with our newfound NHL depth, we can afford to leave Sundher down in the farm developing and not rush him. I think Adam was rushed a bit, and when he didn't have Vanek/Pominville it showed, he just wasn't quite ready. Now hopefully we won't have to rush him or Sundher--and especially if Grigorenko can jump to the NHL either this year or next. They can develop, earn a periodic callup, but they can go at their own pace.

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I've been thinking about this every time I think about center, and the answer is absolutely yes.

The thing is, it now looks a bit slim any of them end up centers for Buffalo. Most of us would agree that even regardless of team need, Adam is likely better off at wing. Between Sundher and Catenacci, odds make it likely that at least one would end up better off at wing in his career.

I'm very much excited for Sundher in Rochester this year and Cat next. The good news is there will be less pressure to rush these guys. Let them develop their offense as much as possible to improve their chances of reaching their #2 line potential. I think there's plenty of room for both going forwoward in the "middle 6" though the numbers game won't make it easy on them.

Bottom line is this THIS CENTER DEPTH RULES

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06-29-2012, 08:32 AM
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Also with our newfound NHL depth, we can afford to leave Sundher down in the farm developing and not rush him. I think Adam was rushed a bit, and when he didn't have Vanek/Pominville it showed, he just wasn't quite ready. Now hopefully we won't have to rush him or Sundher--and especially if Grigorenko can jump to the NHL either this year or next. They can develop, earn a periodic callup, but they can go at their own pace.
To be fair, Adam had a great Traverse City Tournament and, as I remember, a strong training camp and preseason as well. He wasn't exactly thrown into the fire when Hecht was hurt, he did earn a spot on his own, IMO. (additionally, I believe Szczechura was injured to start the season as well).

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Speed kills and both Sundher and Catennaci have it. I wouldn't mind them trying to groom either of them in the mold of a highspeed checking/defensive player but at this point, they have some time and less pressure to smooth off the warts in their game.

Adam still seems destined to be a scoring line winger and perhaps a PP specialist type shy of a remarkable boost in his straight-line speed and acceleration. Checking and defensive play can be taught and those are things that will also hold him back. As guy with a pro build, he doesn't impose himself much if at all ever.

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To be fair, Adam had a great Traverse City Tournament and, as I remember, a strong training camp and preseason as well. He wasn't exactly thrown into the fire when Hecht was hurt, he did earn a spot on his own, IMO. (additionally, I believe Szczechura was injured to start the season as well).
Your recollection is correct -- he tore it up at Traverse City and looked good in camp and yes, Szczechura was still getting over his knee injury and was absent.

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Cat probably has the best chance of being a good fit and good player for the Sabres in the future. I can easily see him being a quality 3rd line center or winger, especially if he works on his two-way game. Pair him with Girgensons and either could be center. Watching some Latvia WJC, Girgensons played center defensively but often the middle was taken by a linemate in the offensive zone. They'd likely be a good match.

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Speed kills and both Sundher and Catennaci have it. I wouldn't mind them trying to groom either of them in the mold of a highspeed checking/defensive player but at this point, they have some time and less pressure to smooth off the warts in their game.

Adam still seems destined to be a scoring line winger and perhaps a PP specialist type shy of a remarkable boost in his straight-line speed and acceleration. Checking and defensive play can be taught and those are things that will also hold him back. As guy with a pro build, he doesn't impose himself much if at all ever.
Agree. I like Catenecci better in that role, though, with the amount of time they both have to develop, I'd rather just see what they become as they progress to Rochester.

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Agree. I like Catenecci better in that role, though, with the amount of time they both have to develop, I'd rather just see what they become as they progress to Rochester.
The downside to the role is that it requires a fair amount of hockey sense -- the knock on Catenacci is hockey sense.

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The downside to the role is that it requires a fair amount of hockey sense -- the knock on Catenacci is hockey sense.
True. I think Catenacci as a 4th line winger would pose some problems just with his speed- speeding up opposition decisions, forcing quicker passing, capitalzing on mistakes for easy scoring chances, etc.

I always thought Brian Holzinger would have been great in that role, and sort of see Catenacci in the same light.

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