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06-28-2012, 11:39 AM
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I'm not really sure players talking about other players or "recruiting" them or whatever does violate tampering rules, because they don't have any authority of ability to make signings.

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06-28-2012, 07:10 PM
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I'm not really sure players talking about other players or "recruiting" them or whatever does violate tampering rules, because they don't have any authority of ability to make signings.
How would you prove it?

Yeah, that's why it happens.

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Here is where they were talking about it.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...pering&page=14

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I thought Bettman specifically addressed this issue, and said players could be guilty of tampering?
He did, in the Justin Schultz thread, it was specifically stated that players cannot say "join my team". Players can talk about experiences, but recruiting crosses the line.

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Bettman acknowledged that player-to-player contact is likely to happen, but clarified what is acceptable and what is tampering.

"They're not supposed to be doing indirectly for a club what a club can't do itself," he said. "Obviously, if one player is an unrestricted free agent and he's thinking about two or three different cities, not because they've approached him, but he's thinking about them, he's looked at their cap situation, he's looked at their roster, and he's thinking about 'is it a nice place to play, how is it to live in that city, what's the coach and GM like,' my guess is those conversations probably happen in the ordinary course they would during the regular season. Two buddies on two different teams go out for a get together and talk about their experiences that comes up, but in fact that the player is actually trying to do the recruiting and the negotiating -- would you come to us for X -- that they can't do."

So yes, if it played out as the guy talking about Toews on twitter claims, then yes, Toews tampered.
Interestingly enough his twitter account seems to be down when I have gone to check.

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06-28-2012, 07:42 PM
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Here is where they were talking about it.

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Does this mean that if, as is claimed, Sid is recruiting Parise, that Sidney could be guilty of tampering?

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06-28-2012, 07:44 PM
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Does this mean that if, as is claimed, Sid is recruiting Parise, that Sidney could be guilty of tampering?
Don't think he was stupid enough to take to twitter with it and hint at a five year deal (allegedly at least from some of the rumors I have read). Much like the Chelios Badger comments finding it hard to come across now. I have hard time with twitter knowing how to control this in the future though.


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06-29-2012, 09:36 AM
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What the hell? Brodeur is testing free agency according to Dreger:
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Is this a money issue? If they can't sign Brodeur, there's no way in hell they can sign Parise.


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06-29-2012, 09:47 AM
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I imagine that, if given the green light by the team to do so, Pavel is recruiting Semin pretty hard right now. There is tons of stuff that goes on behind the scenes. Holland and other teams might already know where Suter, Parise and Semin are going.

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06-29-2012, 03:25 PM
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I have hard time understanding why Brodeur would test free agency. Is he that desperate of winning the cup again or what? Kind of slap into the face of Devils, doubt Parise signs there if Brodeur walks.

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I have hard time understanding why Brodeur would test free agency. Is he that desperate of winning the cup again or what? Kind of slap into the face of Devils, doubt Parise signs there if Brodeur walks.
Marty Brodeur isn't exactly the outstanding guy a lot of people know him to be. If you don't believe me google the guy.

It doesn't surprise me that he wants to see what is out there curious where he thinks a better opportunity is. Also think the Devils have been assuming he would come back real cheap. Well guess what he took them to the Finals, we paid Yzerman and Lidstrom top dollar until the end. My guess is Marty sees no reason to make less than 5 million bucks he has been making as a minimum.

He would be an interesting get for Washington in my opinion might give them some swagger come post-season time. The other teams that make the most sense to me are Tampa, Florida, Ottawa, San Jose, Chicago.


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Marty Brodeur isn't exactly the outstanding guy a lot of people know him to be. If you don't believe me google the guy.
Nope...he's actually a pretty shady character.

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Marty Brodeur isn't exactly the outstanding guy a lot of people know him to be. If you don't believe me google the guy.

It doesn't surprise me that he wants to see what is out there curious where he thinks a better opportunity is. Also think the Devils have been assuming he would come back real cheap. Well guess what he took them to the Finals, we paid Yzerman and Lidstrom top dollar until the end. My guess is Marty sees no reason to make less than 5 million bucks he has been making as a minimum.

He would be an interesting get for Washington in my opinion might give them some swagger come post-season time. The other teams that make the most sense to me are Tampa, Florida, Ottawa, San Jose, Chicago.
The thing is he has generally been pretty mediocre prior to this past playoffs. So you are definitely taking a gamble with him at this stage of his career. I kinda like he will not finish his career as a Devil though. It would just fit with that entire franchise in general.

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06-29-2012, 09:04 PM
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I wonder what the Devils' financial status is really like. If they're $10M under the cap floor and can't negotiate a contract with Brodeur before a deal with Parise is settled, you start to wonder. And if the situation is so poor, Parise will most likely not re-sign. I can't wait to see how this plays out.

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I wonder what the Devils' financial status is really like. If they're $10M under the cap floor and can't negotiate a contract with Brodeur before a deal with Parise is settled, you start to wonder. And if the situation is so poor, Parise will most likely not re-sign. I can't wait to see how this plays out.
Less confident by the day that means anything for the Wings as far as Parise. We know the Devils are a mess, the NHL is queuing up to take the team away a la Phoenix if they don't find investors.

I am wondering how they are going to handle the teams that don't hit the salary floor because I honestly just don't see how a couple of them are going to do it.

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I am wondering how they are going to handle the teams that don't hit the salary floor because I honestly just don't see how a couple of them are going to do it.
They should/must change the cap floor. Something like 60 or 65 % of the salary cap.

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Less confident by the day that means anything for the Wings as far as Parise. We know the Devils are a mess, the NHL is queuing up to take the team away a la Phoenix if they don't find investors.

I am wondering how they are going to handle the teams that don't hit the salary floor because I honestly just don't see how a couple of them are going to do it.
Wasn't talking specifically about the Wings' chances, more the poor state of NJ overall.

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Wasn't talking specifically about the Wings' chances, more the poor state of NJ overall.
I know was just pointing out two things on the comment. All I can assume is those potential investors we heard were a certainty from Bettman and the other owners never came. There are a few more rich guys in the New York/New Jersey area, but I just hope we aren't going towards another team being repossessed by the NHL. I am starting to think that is a distinct possibility.

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Nashville just gave Gaustad $3.25m a year.

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Nashville just gave Gaustad $3.25m a year.
That's really sad, Ricelund. They must really need to get to the cap floor badly.

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Nashville just gave Gaustad $3.25m a year.
In a $70M cap, $3.25M for a faceoff specialist 4th line centre who has leadership qualities isn't that bad.

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In a $70M cap, $3.25M for a faceoff specialist 4th line centre who has leadership qualities isn't that bad.
4th line and $3.25M is bad. Dominic Moore probably won't see much of a raise from the $1.1m he was making last year, and he can hold down the fourth line center spot and he won 55% of his draws last year. Same with Burish out of Dallas.

I think a better case could be made for Gaustad by moving him to the third line, upping his ES IT to match, and moving one of your other centers to wing. Might also be a way of putting skill into your top6 without having to wade too heavily into free agency.

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In a $70M cap, $3.25M for a faceoff specialist 4th line centre who has leadership qualities isn't that bad.
Yeah it is.

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In a $70M cap, $3.25M for a faceoff specialist 4th line centre who has leadership qualities isn't that bad.
It's not bad. It's HORRIBLE.

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I guess since I have trashed him a couple times in the past, I should point out Joe Nieuwendyk finally made a good trade today. Don't know if this is the blind squirrel and the acorn or somebody finally smacked him in the back of the head hard enough he has started thinking since the draft.

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I guess since I have trashed him a couple times in the past, I should point out Joe Nieuwendyk finally made a good trade today. Don't know if this is the blind squirrel and the acorn or somebody finally smacked him in the back of the head hard enough he has started thinking since the draft.
To be fair, GM Joe also turned a 4th round pick and a bust prospect into Kari Lehtonen. Kari's been amazing for the Stars (he's better than Howard, I hate to say it).

The Goligoski trade, while in hindsight really sucks, was pretty prudent at the time. Niskanen was playing terrible defensive hockey (still is) and Neal was literally not scoring and looking invisible. Goligoski looked like a young Rafalski. Dallas was swimming in wingers but had no help on the point. None. They needed Goligoski bad.

Well, Goligoski took a step back this season and his defensive play was... soft. And we all know what Neal did - he took a huge step forward and played like a man possessed.

Other than that, he's been totally hamstrung by the Stars internal cap. He finally has spending money this year, and immediately picked up Whitney. He may have sold Ribeiro low, but I'm not convinced teams were offering much for him. I think they realize, unlike Calgary, that they should start the rebuild process. But in the meantime they'll still bring in veterans to help bridge the gap and serve as mentors.

If you believe the rumors (who called the departure of Ribs and Ott), Morrow is likely gone by the start of the season too. They are ejecting the old leadership and letting Benn and Eriksson claim this as their team. That is EXACTLY the right thing to do. The old leadership sucked.

So all in all, GM Joe is doing okay. Not good, but ok. He's had a few draft blunders (Glennie and Campbell) but he's been doing better as of late. Now that he has an owner and some cash, he'll be on a shorter leash. If he wants his team to make the playoffs this year, there needs to be more moves in store. Like I said, look for Morrow to depart. Maybe Robidas. Then you've got a fresh new core that can grow together and best case scenario surprise some folks like St. Louis.

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