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06-29-2012, 09:42 PM
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Purely a cap dump. And michalek wasn't right here either.
You still could've gotten alot more for Michalek. Alot of teams would have given you better pieces back, including Rangers.

With Martin your only options are keep him or dump him. With Michalek you could've gotten a decent/good return.

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You still could've gotten alot more for Michalek. Alot of teams would have given you better pieces back, including Rangers.

With Martin your only options are keep him or dump him. With Michalek you could've gotten a decent/good return.
For example?

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They got rid of michalek with a horrible return. Did you see how bad the returns on players were at the draft? Its obvious michalek has a better value. At the draft we would have lucky to get a 6th for Martin. That simply isn't worth it.

Should've kept Michalek and dumped Martin then replaced him from within or free agency.

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His contract is absolutely brutal. I could see GMs around the league not having any interest. Especially before free agency.
Wideman just got over 5 mil so 5 mil for Martin seems about right by comparison.

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For example?
1st rounder + prospect (still better than a mid pick and 2 **** prospects) or something like Dubinsky for him straight up.

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Wideman just got over 5 mil so 5 mil for Martin seems about right by comparison.
**** I forgot about Calgary. Shero can just send him there. Feaster and co likes overpaid players.

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1st rounder + prospect (still better than a mid pick and 2 **** prospects) or something like Dubinsky for him straight up.
**** shero.

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You still could've gotten alot more for Michalek. Alot of teams would have given you better pieces back, including Rangers.

With Martin your only options are keep him or dump him. With Michalek you could've gotten a decent/good return.
We could have gotten a better return had Shero maybe asked for one?

Michalek didn't fit in Pittsburgh, he kept Michalek's best interest in mind, he has a NTC, Shero traded him to his old team where he fit perfectly and to a city that he and his family are familiar with.

A big return probably wasn't necessary in Shero's mind because he wanted the contract off the books.

Martin fits the Pens better than Michalek believe it or not. Martin is a better puck mover and is faster. He's a decent one on one defenseman, he would/will succeed if Bylsma adds structure to the defense. Michalek is a shut down guy who blocks shots, he didn't do that last year. Pens focus on having defenseman who can skate, pass and be solid defensively, Martin is that type of player. Now obviously they're going to look to improve the D, but there is a reason why Martin wasn't traded and Michalek was. Michalek lacks mobility, he just didn't look like the right fit on the ice for the Pens.

And for what it's worth, Shero and his staff had their eye on Ruopp last year and actually talked about drafting him in the 2nd round.

Could Shero have gotten a better return for Michalek? Absolutely, but that wasn't his goal, his goal was to trade Michalek to a team without taking any salary in return. And like I said, Shero kept Michalek's interest in mind and traded him to a team and city he is familiar with and that he is happy with.

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**** shero.
we could really use a 2nd pairing RD, and I really love Michalek's game. So yeah we'd pay good for him. Especially when you take into consideration we're in the same division (usually means u gotta pay more then you want). And with the new capfloor we could afford him amongst our d's .

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We could have gotten a better return had Shero maybe asked for one?

Michalek didn't fit in Pittsburgh, he kept Michalek's best interest in mind, he has a NTC, Shero traded him to his old team where he fit perfectly and to a city that he and his family are familiar with.

A big return probably wasn't necessary in Shero's mind because he wanted the contract off the books.

Martin fits the Pens better than Michalek believe it or not. Martin is a better puck mover and is faster. He's a decent one on one defenseman, he would/will succeed if Bylsma adds structure to the defense. Michalek is a shut down guy who blocks shots, he didn't do that last year. Pens focus on having defenseman who can skate, pass and be solid defensively, Martin is that type of player. Now obviously they're going to look to improve the D, but there is a reason why Martin wasn't traded and Michalek was. Michalek lacks mobility, he just didn't look like the right fit on the ice for the Pens.

And for what it's worth, Shero and his staff had their eye on Ruopp last year and actually talked about drafting him in the 2nd round.

Could Shero have gotten a better return for Michalek? Absolutely, but that wasn't his goal, his goal was to trade Michalek to a team without taking any salary in return. And like I said, Shero kept Michalek's interest in mind and traded him to a team and city he is familiar with and that he is happy with.

So... 1st rounder + Christian Thomas (high risk high reward) for Michalek ?

Better than a mid round pick and 2 high risk, meh... reward prospects IMO.

No salary back as well .

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we could really use a 2nd pairing RD, and I really love Michalek's game. So yeah we'd pay good for him. Especially when you take into consideration we're in the same division (usually means u gotta pay more then you want). And with the new capfloor we could afford him amongst our d's .
We have this Guy that used to be his line mate.. he has a thread made about him.. any interest?

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a lot of misinformed people in this thread but its our (pens fans) own fault. If we didnt constantly post about how we need to deal Martin and how we would take anything for him, people here would not be assuming he has zero value.

There were numerous reports of multiple teams being interested in Martin at the draft and Shero came out and said he was not looking to trade him and was by no means shopping him. So the b.s. about how "if he was worth anything, he'd be gone" is not true. After seeing Wideman get more than him and Carle rumored to be getting upwards of 4.5 million, people need to realize that although this contract seemed bad before, its turning into the going rate for even an average defensemen. Although Martin was downright awful this year, his pedigree is enough to attract interest from many teams, as reported during the draft. The 'what have you done for me lately' attitude on HF does not exist in the real world when it comes to acquiring players. Its more of a 'what can you potentially do for me' attitude and Martin has proven by 6+ years of solid play that he is potentially capable of bringing something unique to a club.

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06-29-2012, 10:03 PM
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We have this Guy that used to be his line mate.. he has a thread made about him.. any interest?
Straight up deal for Wade Redden and a box of Sather's cigars?

Haha no sorry, no interest. $5M is waaaaaaaay too much for Martin who wouldn't crack our top 4.

McDonagh
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Erixon

You see our LD depth? We need RD's. There's a way we can take Martin of your hands and get him of your books. Interested?

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06-29-2012, 10:06 PM
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Straight up deal for Wade Redden and a box of Sather's cigars?

Haha no sorry, no interest. $5M is waaaaaaaay too much for Martin who wouldn't crack our top 4.

McDonagh
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Del Zotto
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You see our LD depth? We need RD's. There's a way we can take Martin of your hands and get him of your books. Interested?
Redden and a 4 star chef to make up for Martin's cooking skills. He makes a mean batch of eggs but seriously yeah what is it?

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Redden and a 4 star chef to make up for Martin's cooking skills. He makes a mean batch of eggs but seriously yeah what is it?
I didn't know Martin and Cook we're tight like that .

Alright then, just throw in Letang and we'll call it a day.

We'll send Redden a new playing partner. Him and Martin can cruise around in Connecticut with their +$5 million a year deals and live like kings there.


Why can't I be a washed up hockeyplayer making +$5 million for?

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I didn't know Martin and Cook we're tight like that .

Alright then, just throw in Letang and we'll call it a day.

We'll send Redden a new playing partner. Him and Martin can cruise around in Connecticut with their +$5 million a year and live like kings there.
Okay but you have to cut letang's hair and send it back to us so we can sell it for millions and we sign suter AND Weber and yes sadly maybe he can convince Martin to come to his ahl team and they can live happily ever after

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Okay but you have to cut letang's hair and send it back to us so we can sell it for millions and we sign suter AND Weber and yes sadly maybe he can convince Martin to come to his ahl team and they can live happily ever after
I'll flip you Martin + Redden + Letangs hair + Sather's cigars + a special made voice msg from John Tortorella and a copy of the classic: ''John Tortorella vs Larry Brooks'' For Shea Weber. Hell, Shea Weber's epic beard will suffice. Deal?!

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I'll flip you Martin + Redden + Letangs hair + Sather's cigars + a special made voice msg from John Tortorella and a copy of the classic: ''John Tortorella vs Larry Brooks'' For Shea Weber. Hell, Shea Weber's epic beard will suffice. Deal?!
Ugh why aren't we Bestfriends?

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So... 1st rounder + Christian Thomas (high risk high reward) for Michalek ?

Better than a mid round pick and 2 high risk, meh... reward prospects IMO.

No salary back as well .
Haha yeah that's true, but then you have to consider the following...

1. Were the Rangers on Michalek's list of teams he would not accept a trade to?

2. Would Glen Saither give up that kind of return for Zbynek Michalek?

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Haha yeah that's true, but then you have to consider the following...

1. Were the Rangers on Michalek's list of teams he would not accept a trade to?

2. Would Glen Saither give up that kind of return for Zbynek Michalek?
1: I doubt he'd say no to a team that is most likely gonna be considered a contender for years *knock on wood*.

2: Yeah he would. He would sure as hell give you a 2nd rounder + Thomas. And if he knew/suspected the capfloor would rise to $70 million he'd offer a 1st rounder if necessary.


The question is would Pens trade him to a divisional rival like Rangers?

Btw your name freaks the **** out of me . ''Eyes of Orpik'' sounds like some old ass sect. Kinda gets me thinking about Conan the barbarian. The one with Arnold and all those damn snakes. Crazy ass sect as I said...


P.s it's 05.35 AM over here and I've been up all night, so I dunno... If this post does not make sense you get a drift as of why it just seems weird... ?

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