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06-30-2012, 12:19 PM
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Rangers:

Dubinsky
Staal
2nd (Or 1st)

Carolina:

McBain
Skinner

Carolina gets a top 2 Dman and third Staal, as well as defensive forward Dubinsky and a pick
Rangers get a replacement for Staal, who is another Wisco guy to convince Schultz to sign, as well as their young top six winger

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06-30-2012, 12:22 PM
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Carolina won't do this. They're in love with SKinner.

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No thanks, I'd prefer to keep our Staal.

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06-30-2012, 12:24 PM
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3 staals is enough to last us for a while. We'd rather wait for Marc's contract to run out than to have to trade skinner.

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06-30-2012, 12:44 PM
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Rangers:

Dubinsky
Staal
2nd (Or 1st)

Carolina:

McBain
Skinner

Carolina gets a top 2 Dman and third Staal, as well as defensive forward Dubinsky and a pick
Rangers get a replacement for Staal, who is another Wisco guy to convince Schultz to sign, as well as their young top six winger
Value seems in the general ballpark, but not the package Canes go for.

counter-proposal
MStaal
Stepan
Brian Boyle
D prospect Mikhail Pashnin (seems to have rep of being a sparkplug, but goes to Russia rather than sit in NHL)
Rangers 2nd 2013
Rangers 2nd 2014

Skinner
McBain
Carolina 1st 2013
Carolina 1st 2014 (can be pushed to '15 or '16 instead)
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rationale:
Skinner is best player, but MStaal + Stepan is too much, so 'canes need add.

Skinner = idealized version of Stepan, who already is full equal of Skinner except as to scoring touch. This makes Carolina stronger at pivot, more shutdown at D.

Rangers upgrade at F, downgrade at D, but get upgrade on picks

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06-30-2012, 12:48 PM
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idt they'd take marc str8 up for skinner

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06-30-2012, 12:50 PM
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idt they'd take marc str8 up for skinner
Agree. That's why you have to add Stepan, make it an offer neither side can refuse.

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06-30-2012, 12:56 PM
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I have a feeling WLOG would green light this in approx. 0.5 seconds

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Staal is not on the block. And Skinner isn't getting moved either, they don't care how much DNA Marc has in Carolina.

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06-30-2012, 12:58 PM
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Staal is not on the block. And Skinner isn't getting moved either, they don't care how much DNA Marc has in Carolina.
1 for 1, sure, no way.
But if Stepan was ALSO going the other way, you think Carolina wouldn't do the compensation?

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1 for 1, sure, no way.
But if Stepan was ALSO going the other way, you think Carolina wouldn't do the compensation?
Carolina simply isn't interested. Neither team needs the trade, and it would take a ridiculous overpayment to get Skinner from the canes, just as it would take an overpayment to get Staal out of NY. Neither team has a reason to do that. The Canes would rather take the fourth Staal in free agency later and give the Rangers nothing.

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LOL..yeah sure

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overpayment by Canes

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Canes will just wait until Marc is a UFA and get him for free

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Don't the Canes have Jared Staal in the minors too? This would give them the whole clan if so.

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The value is fine, but trying to convince the Canes to trade Skinner is like trying to convince the Knicks to trade Jeremy Lin. It won't happen, for reasons completely unrelated to performance.

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06-30-2012, 02:38 PM
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Contrary to what I originally stated and what other have restated, don't be suprised if the Hurricanes do pull the trigger on Staal before his contract runs out (i.e. Jordan Staal). With that being said, wait a couple of years when Gleason's NTC is gone.

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06-30-2012, 03:48 PM
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Value seems in the general ballpark, but not the package Canes go for.

counter-proposal
MStaal
Stepan
Brian Boyle
D prospect Mikhail Pashnin (seems to have rep of being a sparkplug, but goes to Russia rather than sit in NHL)
Rangers 2nd 2013
Rangers 2nd 2014

Skinner
McBain
Carolina 1st 2013
Carolina 1st 2014 (can be pushed to '15 or '16 instead)
========

rationale:
Skinner is best player, but MStaal + Stepan is too much, so 'canes need add.

Skinner = idealized version of Stepan, who already is full equal of Skinner except as to scoring touch. This makes Carolina stronger at pivot, more shutdown at D.

Rangers upgrade at F, downgrade at D, but get upgrade on picks
What? There is no rationale to this proposal. It's atrocious, and unrealistic just like everything you propose!

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06-30-2012, 03:48 PM
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Canes will just wait until Marc is a UFA and get him for free
So 3 more years? Lol.

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What? There is no rationale to this proposal. It's atrocious!
Welcome to Bernmeister's proposals. He makes them massive in attempt to hide the fact that he is making proposals that either make no sense, or rip other teams off.

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I like how everyone thinks it is a guarantee that Marc will be a cane in 3 years.

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06-30-2012, 08:10 PM
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Canes will just wait until Marc is a UFA and get him for free

Just because your brothers are more interested in playing together than winning, that doesn't mean all are.

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06-30-2012, 08:13 PM
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Canes will just wait until Marc is a UFA and get him for free
While I agree with this 100%....people were saying the same thing about Jordan.

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It doesn't even make sense for either side to make such a deal today. The Rangers would rather have the next two or three years of M. Staal. The Canes have very little left in the cupboard to make a trade of this magnitude if they want to be competitive; while I doubt they'll wait until he's a UFA in 2015, it seems far more likely they'd make a trade two years hence when the cost will likely be lower and they have more system depth from which to trade.

I think we can put this proposal on the shelf for the near future.

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