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UFA ENFORCER NEEDED: Why Do So Many Young Oilers Players Get Injured

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06-30-2012, 11:55 AM
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Edmonton right now is ubiquitous with rushing their youth into the NHL.

Injuries come with playing boys against men.
What a ignorant comment...
Name the last 1st overall pick forward that was sent back to JR by any team? It doesn't happen anymore. Eberle was sent back to JR along with every other prospect the oilers have. The only player I'd say the oilers ever rushed is Gagner, but he made the team out of camp and had a great rookie season so...

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Edmonton right now is ubiquitous with rushing their youth into the NHL.

Injuries come with playing boys against men.
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This to a degree...

absolutely, and i think this is an unfortunate truth Oil fans are seemingly unable to come to terms with... especially when others bring it up... tends to ruffle some feathers, and mostly garners the response that nobody knows what they're talking about.

being able to see some success on the ledger is a far cry from being able to hang in this league... when most of us hint that many of these kids are NOT ready, we get hit back with stats.

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What a ignorant comment...
Name the last 1st overall pick forward that was sent back to JR by any team? It doesn't happen anymore. Eberle was sent back to JR along with every other prospect the oilers have. The only player I'd say the oilers ever rushed is Gagner, but he made the team out of camp and had a great rookie season so...

the fact that it "doesn't happen anymore" is hardly a viable defense against the obvious.

go over the last 10 first overall picks, and really attempt to defend that position with a straight face.

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06-30-2012, 12:19 PM
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Some of the injuries are clearly just freak bad luck:
  • Hall getting stepped on by a teammate in practice
  • Gagner getting his wrist cut by a skate when Jones was stepping over the boards
  • I believe it was RNH's injury where he basically just tripped over the blueline
  • I'm trying to recall if it was Whitney who injured his knee getting tangled up with his own teammate

The closest recent major injury that might be relatable to an enforcer would be Hall's first injury while fighting Dorsett. Even that was to some degree just bad luck (twisting his ankle while falling in the fight) - but one could argue that maybe he wouldn't have been fighting himself if the team had an enforcer. Maybe one could argue that some of Hemsky's injuries might be preventable by "deterrence". But the ones in the list above won't be deterred unless the enforcer starts beating up on his own teammates for injuring each other.

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06-30-2012, 12:28 PM
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The injuries have nothing to do with the need of a enforcer for Edmonton. Over the last couple of years teams have taken runs at the Oilers, especially their young ones and the Oilers have never had a deterrent to stop this . What they really need is a big tough winger or C that can handle himself, not a goon.

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06-30-2012, 12:32 PM
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Toughness doesn't stop runs. No guy who takes runs at stars is concerned about anyone else. Hitters hit, if they didn't they wouldn't have jobs. No hitter is going to ease up on a star because they're concerned someone might grab them after.

Do you think any grinder is going to give up his paycheque because he doesn't want to be facewashed or headlocked?

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I could see the Oilers trying to sign Prust for the money he wants.
Agreed
Want Rupp? not kicking him out, but would consider repurposing his $$ under the cap.

Make NYR an offer.

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Eager?

Hordichuk?

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Whoever thinks signing an enforcer will ensure their top rookies doesn't get injured hasn't watch a single hockey game in the last 10 years.

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An enforcer will not save the kids from getting hurt. The Oilers have always had a goon, yet always had injuries. There is no deterrent.

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06-30-2012, 01:05 PM
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An enforcer will not save the kids from getting hurt. The Oilers have always had a goon, yet always had injuries. There is no deterrent.
Who was there goon last year? And dont say Eager they need a guy like Prust

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Who was there goon last year? And dont say Eager they need a guy like Prust
Hordichuk and his 4 minutes per game could not save RNH from tripping and falling awkwardly hurting his shoulder. His 4 minutes could not save Eberle from getting his skate stuck on an opponent falling awkwardly.

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If think OP's first thought was the reason, too small and physically immature. Last year they had Hordichuck and Eager, which didn't really help at all. With the instigator rule the enforcer strategy doesn't seem to work any more. Players need to be more durable themselves, or if you are going to use a big guy as a deterrent he needs to have the skills to play on the same line as the players they are supposed to protect. Unfortunately, big enforcers with skills are so rare and hard to get - hence why VCR took the risk trading for Kassian, once the player has already developed and proven himself he is too invaluable to be moved.

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Carkner has decided to test free agency, I think he'd be a great fit on the Oilers.

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You know why the freak accidents occur with the Oilers young players? In my opinion, it's because they're rushed to the big leagues instead of developing their body growth/strength in the minors or with their junior clubs. Look at RNH; if he's allowed to grow a little more and put on more muscle before playing in the NHL, that shoulder injury most likely doesn't happen.

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Is this the new trend now? Claiming the Oilers rush their prospects?

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06-30-2012, 05:02 PM
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Teams aren't gonna be looking to injure the Oilers when they seem perfectly able to injure themselves.

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That I can agree with, and sorry for misremembering the quote

Honest question, as I might be misremembering this as well, but did the Oilers fire their medical/training staff sometime this season?

Hopefully this doesn't stir up bad feelings, but I just can't help but recall the Fraser debacle last summer when Smyth was traded, and there were differences of opinion in the medical staff.

Or do you feel like it's just bad luck that the players get injured? I don't know all the injuries, so I really don't know what the situation is in Edmonton. I'm just speaking from past experiences in the Kings organization mainly.
They fired their training and medical staff after the 2010 season. There were a lot of stories coming out from that time about a sense of entitlement in the locker room amongst people (not just players) who had been there a long time. Some stories about trainers refusing to give players new sticks or demanding explanations on how old ones got broken, etc. Although the head trainer at the time (Barrie Stafford) later said that was how the ultra-cheap Pocklington and Sather regime wanted things done. But both those two guys had both been gone for a decade by then, so who knows? At any rate, Tambo presented it as just needing change and renewal within the organization, and I think there was some truth to that.

Souray complained about two things: That Pat Quinn shamed him into playing injured in front of his teammates, and that once he got injured he never heard from the Oilers management at all. I personally don't recall any complaints about the medical staff. My opinion on that is: the Quinn hiring was mistake and that's only one reason why, but I don't know why a 15-year vet needs his GM holding his hand while he rides the stationary bike.

When it comes to the injuries, I just think we're having a bad streak (not the only bad luck haunting this team the last six years, either). I mean, Eberle gets his skate hooked in Jamie Benn's skate and gets hurt. RNH trips on a rut and gets hurt. Hall gets stepped on. Whitney contracts 'Forsberg foot'. I keep hoping that next year will be better, but every year it just keeps happening. . .

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What a ignorant comment...
Name the last 1st overall pick forward that was sent back to JR by any team? It doesn't happen anymore. Eberle was sent back to JR along with every other prospect the oilers have. The only player I'd say the oilers ever rushed is Gagner, but he made the team out of camp and had a great rookie season so...
No, but his point still stands. Young teams tend to get injured if nothing more then inexperience or not weeding out the "injury risk" players. Who knows if Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yakupov etc. will be injury risks or not as time goes on. But if they are, they won' be very good and most likely replaced. You can't be a good player and plagued by injuries.

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Taylor Hall plays like the Tazmanian Devil on speed, so he's going to hurt himself. If you actually look at his injuries, though, it's a lot of freak accidents. Going down weird in a fight, getting stomped on by a skate, etc.

I'm not sure how an enforcer is supposed to help that type of injury.
thats just it. We will be a tough team this year with Sutton, Eager, Smid, Harti, and Petrell. The team is tough too in that even Gagner beats up Jokinen once in a while. I dont see a problem with toughness. The Oilers will get run...and then we will kill the team on the PP. cheap shots will be noted, and then get proper response when beneficial for us. eventualoly all the shots were accounted for. "oh my stick slipped... that was for your run at RNH. hopefully your eye heals".

Not worried one bit. if people care about their careers they best stay within the rules. this is a tight TIGHT dressing room. i can see some harsh justice being delivered if necessary. Accidents happen.

But all n all i didnt think many teams ran our players. Dallas was actually the only dirty team and it was mostly their finesse players that were being thedirty ones (ribeiro was a big one). Calgary and Vancouver werent cheap... playing hard is not cheap. Our players have had injuries of bad luck not cheap shots.


ALSO- hall and Whitney have had their shoulder/foot issues for a while. the Oilers advised both to get them dealt with when they did.
I also Guarantee you the NHL and Bettman will harshly protect our players.

I also would like to point out that Sarich delivered a couple big hits in the first period of a game last year. the oilers responded by throwing eager and petrell out to just dump pucks in and hammer him. HUGE HITS. hit our guys...get a target on your back. I guarantee you will be hit more than our guys. i liked eager just throwing the puck right to sarich and plowing him into the boards. dont give if you arent willing to be a constant punching bag. 2 hits equaled 48 minutes of having the puck dumped at you then smashed repeatedly. much better response than throwing out a fighter so sarich can turtle and get off the ice for 5... or sarich has a chance to save face and gets momentum plus 5 minutes away from any chance to hit him. Keep him on the ice and just pliow him into retirement. try to put him into the fifth row. have bets on how many teeth you can knock out of his mouth. take turns.

Point is retribution can be fun and entertaining. keep notes and destroy. dont fight and have it over in 30 seconds. aim to make your opponent pee blood. hit him over and over and over and over.


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Edmonton right now is ubiquitous with rushing their youth into the NHL.

Injuries come with playing boys against men.
This exactly.

Also, all respect to Eberle and Hall, those kids play hard.

It's the same reason Kesler is always hurt...always going 1,000 miles a minute.

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thats just it. We will be a tough team this year with Sutton, Eager, Smid, Harti, and Petrell. The team is tough too in that even Gagner beats up Jokinen once in a while. I dont see a problem with toughness. The Oilers will get run...and then we will kill the team on the PP. cheap shots will be noted, and then get proper response when beneficial for us. eventualoly all the shots were accounted for. "oh my stick slipped... that was for your run at RNH. hopefully your eye heals".

Not worried one bit. if people care about their careers they best stay within the rules. this is a tight TIGHT dressing room. i can see some harsh justice being delivered if necessary. Accidents happen.

But all n all i didnt think many teams ran our players. Dallas was actually the only dirty team and it was mostly their finesse players that were being thedirty ones (ribeiro was a big one). Calgary and Vancouver werent cheap... playing hard is not cheap. Our players have had injuries of bad luck not cheap shots.


ALSO- hall and Whitney have had their shoulder/foot issues for a while. the Oilers advised both to get them dealt with when they did.
I also Guarantee you the NHL and Bettman will harshly protect our players.

I also would like to point out that Sarich delivered a couple big hits in the first period of a game last year. the oilers responded by throwing eager and petrell out to just dump pucks in and hammer him. HUGE HITS. hit our guys...get a target on your back. I guarantee you will be hit more than our guys. i liked eager just throwing the puck right to sarich and plowing him into the boards. dont give if you arent willing to be a constant punching bag. 2 hits equaled 48 minutes of having the puck dumped at you then smashed repeatedly. much better response than throwing out a fighter so sarich can turtle and get off the ice for 5... or sarich has a chance to save face and gets momentum plus 5 minutes away from any chance to hit him. Keep him on the ice and just pliow him into retirement. try to put him into the fifth row. have bets on how many teeth you can knock out of his mouth. take turns.

Point is retribution can be fun and entertaining. keep notes and destroy. dont fight and have it over in 30 seconds. aim to make your opponent pee blood. hit him over and over and over and over.
How is that any different then last year when those guys were also there...I know the last 2 weren't up the whole season, and thus I don't know to much about them. But I do know one thing, if the first two are ever on the ice together or combined get more than 20 mins of ice time, expect another lottery pick...Especially Sutton, when he isn't getting walked around on the rush, he is walking to the penalty box.

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Zenon Konopka would make a ton of sense. He can play an okay regular shift and is a faceoff specialist.

If you want an all heart, tough as nails, team first kind of player. He would be a great addition to a young rebuilding team.

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