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06-30-2012, 12:22 PM
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Wonder if McPhee could pull this off

Parise for 15 years/100 million

Doan for 5 years 22.5 million

Ryan, Beauchemin for Laich, Forsberg, Neuvirth, 1st+ (overpayment but who gives a **** )



Schultz, Erskine waived/traded

Ovechkin Ribeiro Doan
Parise Backstrom Ryan
Chimera Johansson Brouwer
Hendricks Beagle Ward

Alzner Carlson
Beauchemin Green
Hamrlik Orlov

Holtby
Clemmensen

Cap hell, farm gets purged, but if this doesn't win the cup this year might as well find another sport.
No thanks, there is too much luck involved in the playoffs to sell THAT much of the farm for one chance.

Sign Jagr for a year instead of trading that for Ryan.


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Sign Jagr for a year instead of trading that for Ryan.

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You can. I checked "Kovalchuk rule" before posting. You can't have <1M salary.
Not that it changes much, but still...

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50.7 "100 Percent Rule" for Multi-Year SPCs. The difference between the stated
Player Salary and Bonuses in the first two League Years of an SPC cannot exceed the
amount of the lower of the two League Years. Thereafter, in all subsequent League
Years of the SPC, (i) any increase in Player Salary and Bonuses from one League Year to
another may not exceed the amount of the lower of the first two League Years of the SPC
(or, if such amounts are the same, that same amount); and (ii) any decrease in Player
Salary and Bonuses from one League Year to another may not exceed 50 percent of the
Player Salary and Bonuses of the lower of the first two League Years of the SPC (or, if
such amounts are the same, 50 percent of that same amount).
In your offer for Parise salary decreases from 9.5m to 1m, which is more than 4.75m (50% of minimum salary of first 2 years). I believe this break "100 Percent Rule". For instance maximum decrease in Kovalchuk contract is 3m and this is exactly 50% of his 1st-year salary.

What you have to do is add one year with ~4.5m between those years with 9.5m and 1m.

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06-30-2012, 01:02 PM
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Not that it changes much, but still...

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In your offer for Parise salary decreases from 9.5m to 1m, which is more than 4.75m (50% of minimum salary of first 2 years). I believe this break "100 Percent Rule". For instance maximum decrease in Kovalchuk contract is 3m and this is exactly 50% of his 1st-year salary.

What you have to do is add one year with ~4.5m between those years with 9.5m and 1m.
Thanks. Not reflected in this article, which is the one I was looking at.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=536524

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06-30-2012, 01:43 PM
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That 50% rule is why Max Talbot's initial contract was voided last year.

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Please don't sign Prust. He wants 3 mil.

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Damn, I've wanted to find a way to get Travis Moen in our bottom 6 for a few years. Foiled again...Tootoo is up next I hope.

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I wonder if a Green for Ryan deal couldn't be worked out....additional parts needed probably...

Then the Caps need a 20m a night defender of course.

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06-30-2012, 02:16 PM
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I wonder if a Green for Ryan deal couldn't be worked out....additional parts needed probably...

Then the Caps need a 20m a night defender of course.
Huh?

Just give the time to Carlson, and get people for the 3rd pairing. 2nd pairing can be Orlov and Hamrlik.

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06-30-2012, 02:24 PM
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I wonder if a Green for Ryan deal couldn't be worked out....additional parts needed probably...

Then the Caps need a 20m a night defender of course.
Vish (with one year left on his contract) was just traded for nothing. And he's a lot better than Green. I don't think a Green package nets much.

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06-30-2012, 02:28 PM
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And he's a lot better than Green.

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Edmonton signed Schultz.

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Edmonton signed Schultz.
"WHOOO CAAARES" (c, Verizon Center crowd)

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Wonder if McPhee could pull this off

Parise for 15 years/100 million

Doan for 5 years 22.5 million

Ryan, Beauchemin for Laich, Forsberg, Neuvirth, 1st+ (overpayment but who gives a **** )



Schultz, Erskine waived/traded

Ovechkin Ribeiro Doan
Parise Backstrom Ryan
Chimera Johansson Brouwer
Hendricks Beagle Ward

Alzner Carlson
Beauchemin Green
Hamrlik Orlov

Holtby
Clemmensen

Cap hell, farm gets purged, but if this doesn't win the cup this year might as well find another sport.
This is literally the worst idea I've seen on here. I wouldn't trade forsberg for Ryan straight up. Paying/trading for established stars is an awful way to build a team

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06-30-2012, 04:05 PM
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Paying/trading for established stars is an awful way to build a team
Well we did that a week ago with Ribeiro and that solved our 2C issue, that wasn't a bad move. Trading for established stars is how you push a team over the top unless you are rebuilding, which we aren't.

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06-30-2012, 04:33 PM
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Well we did that a week ago with Ribeiro and that solved our 2C issue, that wasn't a bad move. Trading for established stars is how you push a team over the top unless you are rebuilding, which we aren't.
Not by trading away potential stars (and I don't mean Dallas Stars). Eakin and a 2nd is not a ridiculous price for Ribeiro. Forsberg, Laich, Neuvirth, and a 1st+ is beyond ludicrous.

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06-30-2012, 04:40 PM
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Not by trading away potential stars (and I don't mean Dallas Stars). Eakin and a 2nd is not a ridiculous price for Ribeiro. Forsberg, Laich, Neuvirth, and a 1st+ is beyond ludicrous.
I see one potential star in that package. 1 potential star for one actual star is a good deal when you're in win now mode. I don't make this particular trade for a variety of reasons (and Anaheim certainly doesn't), but we should be looking to make moves to bring in established talent.

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I see one potential star in that package. 1 potential star for one actual star is a good deal when you're in win now mode. I don't make this particular trade for a variety of reasons (and Anaheim certainly doesn't), but we should be looking to make moves to bring in established talent.
Good players on ELCs/2nd Cheap Contracts (Contracts right after ELCs that players sign below market value IE Alzner) tend to be extremely important on teams that make deep playoff runs.

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Good players on ELCs/2nd Cheap Contracts (Contracts right after ELCs that players sign below market value IE Alzner) tend to be extremely important on teams that make deep playoff runs.
They've also been integral to our recent chokes.

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06-30-2012, 05:29 PM
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They've also been integral to our recent chokes.
Who? And what chokes? The only player integral in the Montreal "choke" was Jaroslav Halak.

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I don't think McPhee is a "give lots of assets for a single guy" type of GM. No, you keep the assets and develop them, then those assets walk for free, so you need to make sure you have plenty of assets. More asset. Moar!!

I also don't think that the Caps have a win-now attitude (and fwiw that may not be a bad thing right now). I think they're big believers in having a solid team that can repeatedly get into playoffs, where "anything is possible". So they're more interested in the low-hanging fruits when it comes to trades, I don't think they'll be parting with top prospects.

So.. no Ryan.. And I'm fine with that, because I think they need to see how the team shakes down under Oates first before doing any blockbuster trades. What's the identity, how's Ovi performing, etc.

What is funny though, is that McPhee has mentioned numerous times recently how he doesn't like going to UFA market, having to overpay and all that. What I want to know, is how of all people to "reluctantly overpay", he chose Ward

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Caps Facebook posting stupid instagram pics of Ward and Hamrlik and being signed July 1st.

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No thanks, there is too much luck involved in the playoffs to sell THAT much of the farm for one chance.

Sign Jagr for a year instead of trading that for Ryan.
At some point though you get lineups that are simply so far ahead that luck fades away.

You can't tell me Kings got lucky this year or Hawks got lucky in 2010. That one would be comparable if not better than either I'd think.

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