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06-30-2012, 03:21 PM
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Did I say that was Plekanec's league wide value? No. That's the package I'd offer from the Hawks. If it's not "good" enough, I don't care. Plekanec isn't good enough to demand Saad or Teravainen.
Yes, he is "good" enough to demand either Saad or Teravainen. If Chicago doesn't want to play ball, someone else will.

Over the past year I've heard from a lot of other Hawks fans who have much different perspective on the value or need for Plekanec and I think you aren't representative of the Chicago fan base.

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Hawks fans say no...

great, b/c as a Habs fan I say Hell no. Don't want Kane, period.

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06-30-2012, 03:24 PM
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Yes, he is "good" enough to demand either Saad or Teravainen. If Chicago doesn't want to play ball, someone else will.

Over the past year I've heard from a lot of other Hawks fans who have much different perspective on the value or need for Plekanec and I think you aren't representative of the Chicago fan base.
Hoss certainly is unique among Hawk fans. but in this case he's right. The Hawks have drafted a good number of centers and the hole only needs to be patched for probably one more season at the most. There's no need to give up major assets at this point.

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Tomas Plekanec isn't an elite player, he doesn't require an elite package. If you believe he does, good for you.
I'm neither a Habs nor a Hawks fan, but I can assure you that Plekanec has a lot more value than you think.

Sure, he isn't an "elite" player, but he is one of the best 2nd line centers in the league. If you don't think a player like that in the prime of his career would bring home a sweet return, then you are just completely off base.

IMO, it would cost a team a blue-chip prospect and a decent roster player to get Plekanec.

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06-30-2012, 05:48 PM
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This is just horrible for Chicago.

Closer value would be Plekanec + Pactoiretty, even then Hawks say no.

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06-30-2012, 05:50 PM
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If Kane is involved in the trade, and his destination is the Canadiens, either Price or Subban would be coming to Chicago. God, how much Kane is undervalued is sickening.

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06-30-2012, 06:47 PM
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If Kane is involved in the trade, and his destination is the Canadiens, either Price or Subban would be coming to Chicago. God, how much Kane is undervalued is sickening.
Valuation isn't the problem.

Montreal simply isn't the place for Kane or his episodic behaviour and Montreal fans understand it.

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Valuation isn't the problem.

Montreal simply isn't the place for Kane or his episodic behaviour and Montreal fans understand it.
the problem is that Kane's behavior problems are a load of ****.

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06-30-2012, 07:16 PM
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Valuation isn't the problem.

Montreal simply isn't the place for Kane or his episodic behaviour and Montreal fans understand it.
He doesn't have behavioral problems.

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06-30-2012, 07:23 PM
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He doesn't have behavioral problems.
If what happened in Buffalo or Wisconsin happened while he was a Hab he wouldn't be a Hab any longer, end of story.

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06-30-2012, 07:30 PM
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This is just horrible for Chicago.

Closer value would be Plekanec + Pactoiretty, even then Hawks say no.
don't worry Mr. Bowman we'll keep pacioretty and Plekanecs combined 50 goals and 117 point total but thanks for considering the offer which was never made

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06-30-2012, 07:31 PM
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don't worry Mr. Bowman we'll keep pacioretty and Plekanecs combined 50 goals and 117 point total but thanks for considering the offer which was never made
Meanwhile the Hawks keep Kane and next season he gets 117 points.

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06-30-2012, 07:41 PM
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Meanwhile the Hawks keep Kane and next season he gets 117 points.
Evander Kane I'm interested in but not Patrick.

I really like the way Patrick plays but Montreal just isn't the place for him.

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06-30-2012, 07:43 PM
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I really like the way Patrick plays but Montreal just isn't the place for him.
I don't want to see him leave, so that works out.

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I'm neither a Habs nor a Hawks fan, but I can assure you that Plekanec has a lot more value than you think.

Sure, he isn't an "elite" player, but he is one of the best 2nd line centers in the league. If you don't think a player like that in the prime of his career would bring home a sweet return, then you are just completely off base.

IMO, it would cost a team a blue-chip prospect and a decent roster player to get Plekanec.
Agreed. And frankly if there isn't a team that offers that for him I'm sure the Habs are more than comfortable keeping him for the duration of his contract.

In the event that there's a big logjam at center one of Desharnais, Eller OR Galchenyuk can easily slide onto the wing.

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06-30-2012, 07:51 PM
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I don't want to see him leave, so that works out.
Glad everyone is happy with the status quo.

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06-30-2012, 07:56 PM
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Regardless of the trade, Kane would not work in Montreal. I don't care what he does but in Montreal they care. Very unlikely trade

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06-30-2012, 08:02 PM
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Kane is tremendously skilled and all, but I have no interest in acquire him for his value.

Best of luck Kane and Chicago fans.

I don't even know what the rest of the trade is. I saw Kane was instantly not interested.

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06-30-2012, 08:35 PM
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Meanwhile the Hawks keep Kane and next season he gets 117 points.
highly unlikely

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06-30-2012, 08:36 PM
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wanna bet?
No. I'll bet he's PPG, though.

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06-30-2012, 09:11 PM
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Kane is tremendously skilled and all, but I have no interest in acquire him for his value.

Best of luck Kane and Chicago fans.

I don't even know what the rest of the trade is. I saw Kane was instantly not interested.
The only Kane i would be interested in is Evander Kane. Pat Kane is a midget problem child and not worth the trouble.

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06-30-2012, 09:16 PM
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The only Kane i would be interested in is Evander Kane. Pat Kane is a midget problem child and not worth the trouble.
P Kane is great. At this point in time I wouldn't want the habs to part with the assets it'd surely take.

Midget problem child with a cup clinching goal and 369 points in 399 games so far at 23 sounds pretty damn good to me!

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06-30-2012, 09:53 PM
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As a Habs fan, I think P. Kane is a terrific player. The problem for us is his lack of size. We do not have the right second line players to complement him. There is no need for a poising match between Hawks and Habs fans.

I would also point out that, unlike what good od HossTheBoss thinks, other Hawks fans and I had agreed that
Plekanec and a 2012 2nd would get us Saad, Jimmy Hayes, and a 2012 1st.

I doubt the Hawks have acquired a better 2nd line center than Plekanec since the draft. Also, anyone who thinks Plekanec would not improve the Hawks' PK does not know a thing about the player and should refrain from posting in any future threads about Plekanec. Seriously, Plekanec is the penultimate PK player. Talk about knowing nothing about the guy being offered...

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Personally, regardless of Hoss' opinion and even as a Montréal fan, I'd be convinced that a 2nd line formed of Hossa - Plekanec - Sharp would probably be the best 2nd line in the NHL. A line able to play 2-way like that, being physical enough and speedy enough to control the play while racking up points...

I don't want us to trade Plekanec, but I'm positive he'd be the center you've been longing for on the Hawks' 2nd line. Plus he's really reliable and not only on the penalty kill.

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07-01-2012, 06:55 AM
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Not a freaking chance the Habs do this. Yuck.

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This is just horrible for Chicago.

Closer value would be Plekanec + Pactoiretty, even then Hawks say no.


I wouldn't give Pacioretty alone for Kane.

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