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06-29-2012, 06:27 PM
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he's gone if there are reasonable players filling the top 9.
But Gomez is no longer a top 9 player. His stats dont lie. I just dont think the Habs brass can justify it to the fans and media why they brought him back. Its not one bad year, its 2 god awful years.

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06-29-2012, 06:41 PM
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But Gomez is no longer a top 9 player. His stats dont lie. I just dont think the Habs brass can justify it to the fans and media why they brought him back. Its not one bad year, its 2 god awful years.
By any measurable stat he was definitely a top 9 guy 2 years ago.

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06-29-2012, 06:47 PM
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Staubitz won't be back next year according to Renaud Levoie
Looking forward to read this from Renaud Lavoie: "Gomez won't be back next season with the Canadiens."

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06-29-2012, 07:24 PM
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there is more chance seeing him back than not

i feel the same. as much as i want him gone, i think he'll be back..

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Gomez will be a good top9 LW
If he makes 2M$ maybe.

At 7.3M$ in cap space, there's no room for him in any line up. Not good enough for top 6, waste of money in bottom 6.

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06-30-2012, 06:10 AM
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I guess most people ignored this quote(from thread 'Brisebois raring to go')

“The potential of the Canadiens is very nice,” he said. “The core of the team? Beautiful. Just be patient. Let some contracts run their course. And let these young guys mature."

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06-30-2012, 06:36 AM
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If he makes 2M$ maybe.

At 7.3M$ in cap space, there's no room for him in any line up. Not good enough for top 6, waste of money in bottom 6.
He's statistically a terrible bottom6 player too. He's just a disaster in every which way. Soft and easy to play against, a non-producer offensively, weak defensively, harmless shot, predictible passing and skating style. He's a wreck of a player and needs to go.

Maybe it'll be Therrien's recklamation project but even a 300% increase in productivity would amount to ~50 points. 50 points for 7.3m is still bad. Just offer Parise 9m a year and see him get ~70 on the reg if that's the case.

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06-30-2012, 09:51 PM
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Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Shane Doan ($5.750m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Lars Eller ($2.250m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Travis Moen ($1.850m) / Yannick Perreault ($0.575m) / Ryan White ($0.688m)
Petteri Nokelainen ($0.575m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / P.K. Subban ($3.800m)
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Raphael Diaz ($1.700m)
Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m) / Alexei Emelin ($2.000m)
Yannick Weber ($0.850m) /
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($6.600m)
Peter Budaj ($1.150m)
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SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,352,976; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $847,024

Obviously they would never go that close to the cap, if 70.2 does even end up being the final number...but gosh that looks like a nice line up...especially since there's a chance they may sign another free agent and send Gomez packing somehow.

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06-30-2012, 09:58 PM
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Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Shane Doan ($5.750m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Lars Eller ($2.250m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Travis Moen ($1.850m) / Yannick Perreault ($0.575m) / Ryan White ($0.688m)
Petteri Nokelainen ($0.575m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / P.K. Subban ($3.800m)
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Raphael Diaz ($1.700m)
Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m) / Alexei Emelin ($2.000m)
Yannick Weber ($0.850m) /
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($6.600m)
Peter Budaj ($1.150m)
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SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,352,976; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $847,024

Obviously they would never go that close to the cap, if 70.2 does even end up being the final number...but gosh that looks like a nice line up...especially since there's a chance they may sign another free agent and send Gomez packing somehow.
I gotta ask! Yannick Perreault? Or you just meaning signing a face off man?

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06-30-2012, 10:29 PM
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I gotta ask! Yannick Perreault? Or you just meaning signing a face off man?
Lol

I just added him in there for fun as the 13th forward.

Was getting awfully close to the cap. Always was a fan back in the day when he'd win defensive zone faceoffs and get off the ice immediately. Not a move used all that often in the NHL.

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06-30-2012, 10:33 PM
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Lol

I just added him in there for fun as the 13th forward.

Was getting awfully close to the cap. Always was a fan back in the day when he'd win defensive zone faceoffs and get off the ice immediately. Not a move used all that often in the NHL.
I lived Perrault. Great face off man. As to your line up, why do I have a bad feeling not many of us will be to happy tomorrow when MB acquires no one for the top 6.

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06-30-2012, 10:40 PM
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I lived Perrault. Great face off man. As to your line up, why do I have a bad feeling not many of us will be to happy tomorrow when MB acquires no one for the top 6.
There are some decent options out there who I'm sure the Habs will look into acquiring.

I don't see why they wouldn't offer Jagr 5 a year personally. The cap space is there if they need it.

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06-30-2012, 11:00 PM
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There are some decent options out there who I'm sure the Habs will look into acquiring.

I don't see why they wouldn't offer Jagr 5 a year personally. The cap space is there if they need it.
Jagr isnt worth 5 not even close. To overpay him wouldnt be to smart. If they acquire no one I guess he will try the trade market. But that route is costly. By this time tomorrow we will have a good idea

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07-01-2012, 07:11 AM
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FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Alexander Semin ($6.700m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.500m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Lars Eller ($1.500m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Travis Moen ($1.850m) / Louis Leblanc ($1.170m) / Ryan White ($0.688m)
Petteri Nokelainen ($0.575m) / Blake Geoffrion ($0.803m) /
DEFENSEMEN
P.K. Subban ($4.500m) / Josh Gorges ($3.900m)
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Emelin ($2.000m)
Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m) / Bryan Allen ($3.500m)
Raphael Diaz ($1.100m) /
GOALTENDERS
Peter Budaj ($1.150m)
Carey Price ($6.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,744,083; BONUSES: $300,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $455,917

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07-01-2012, 08:37 AM
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Adam Burish for the 4th line centerman could be a good fit.
He play a good defensive/Physical game and can drop the glove. A good team player going to be less expensive than Gaustad or Mcclement.

Bourque - Eller - Pallushaj/x
Moen - Burish - White
Nokelainen

I am fine with these bottom line.

For the top 6 it is so unpredictable. Paciorrety - Desharnais - Cole seem to be logical choice for your first line but Dam, the second line will suck if it the case.

X - Plekanec - Gionta

Parise, Mueller, Semin, Doan, Parrenteau, Latendresse and Andrei Kostitsyn are in my opinion good fit but at short term (unless we get Parise).

Hooooooooooope Bergevin is considering Bobby Ryan. Playing with Big Heart Desharnais would be great for him.


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07-01-2012, 10:09 AM
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Since we're paying Gomez $7M, since he isn't so old that we can totally write him off, since he was a decent player in his first season here, I think we should give him another chance. Maybe a new coach can turn him around, and if not, then we can bury him in the minors come November.

I want Parenteau, but most of all I want an experienced top 4 defenceman.


Pacioretty - Plekanec - Cole
Eller - Plekanec - Parenteau
Bourque - Gomez - Gionta
Moen - Leblanc - White
Nokelainen

Switch Eller and Leblanc according to who is playing best.

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Diaz - Kubina

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07-01-2012, 10:10 AM
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Jagr isnt worth 5 not even close. To overpay him wouldnt be to smart. If they acquire no one I guess he will try the trade market. But that route is costly. By this time tomorrow we will have a good idea
Who cares how much he is "worth''?

It's a 1 year deal.

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Who cares how much he is "worth''?

It's a 1 year deal.
I'd take Jagr at 5 million anytime. He's old, but god dammit he's still got it.

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The Habs have one of the smallest, softest d corps in the league in my opinion so that would be priority one. After Gill was traded there was no presence in front of the net and teams took advantage.

Two dmen who would have been upgrades were wisely resigned by their teams (O'Brien and Jackman) so not alot left.

Bryan Allen would be my target and if he is too pricey, Salvador would be an option.

Not alot on the free agent market though, so trade route may be the only answer if they want to compete for the playoffs next year.

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I think Gomez fate is determined by whether Bergevin manages to sign some bigger name FAs. He's not going to bury Gomez in the minors if we have the cap space to pay him, but he's going to try to sign new players up to the limit of the cap and if he does then Gomez is gone. It's the free-agent pool and the high stakes of the market which will tell us if he stays or goes.

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I wouldn't go overboard at this point. If Bergevin could address a couple of issues for this year and monitor the young talent for the following year, the team could have a solid core for years to come. Making too many radical changes to speed up the process could backfire and once again deplete our pipeline of talent.

I would like to see the team add a physical defenseman who would fit the role of a #4 or #5 defenseman. I would also like to see a physical left winger added to play with Plekanec and Gionta. That would allow the team to drop Bourque to the third line with Eller and maybe Leblanc.

A fourth line of Moen, Nokelainen and White would be better than what we have had in years.

For me, that leaves Gomez, Kaberle and Weber on the outside looking in.

If Parise signs with Detroit, who knows... maybe Jersey needs a short term fix that could be picked up for a 7th round draft choice.

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The Habs have one of the smallest, softest d corps in the league in my opinion so that would be priority one. After Gill was traded there was no presence in front of the net and teams took advantage.

Two dmen who would have been upgrades were wisely resigned by their teams (O'Brien and Jackman) so not alot left.

Bryan Allen would be my target and if he is too pricey, Salvador would be an option.

Not alot on the free agent market though, so trade route may be the only answer if they want to compete for the playoffs next year.
I'm sure there are a lot of teams with softer defense cores. We have Emelin and Subban that can knock your block off, not every team has that.

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The Habs have one of the smallest, softest d corps in the league in my opinion so that would be priority one.
It would be my top priority as well. Although Subban can play a physical game his skills are better used for other purposes. Gorges is tough but not physically intimidating. That leaves Emelin. Way too soft....

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I think Gomez fate is determined by whether Bergevin manages to sign some bigger name FAs. He's not going to bury Gomez in the minors if we have the cap space to pay him, but he's going to try to sign new players up to the limit of the cap and if he does then Gomez is gone. It's the free-agent pool and the high stakes of the market which will tell us if he stays or goes.
Gomez is gone. We are not going to move any of our top 3 centers to make room for him and we will use his cap space, wether it's a big name or bunch of smaller ones.

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I'm sure there are a lot of teams with softer defense cores. We have Emelin and Subban that can knock your block off, not every team has that.
Which teams? Islanders? No playoff teams I can think of.

Emelin and Subban are not players who stand in front of the net and win the battles that you need to win to be successful. That type of player is not on the Habs roster. Tinordi could be one of those players down the road but not now. They need help there in my opinion but Bergevin would certainly know defense well. We'll see what he does.

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