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Detroit has more cap space than either of those teams. They're also set up to win now AND later.
Like i said, if the rumors are true and Pitt offers 10 years at $8M, than Hollands sales pitch is pretty much dead in the water. Detroit cant match rosters and the "win now" talk with Pitt.
So now Detroit is hoping that Parise is all about the money, but I cant see Holland offering anything close to what has been rumored out of Minnesota.
I'm not too sure the Pens will be very attractive honestly Parise should know he would add little to the Pens. Ya he would get a great boost in scoring but the team is already a scoring machine with or without Zach Signing Zach mean money to sign any more significant roster player, not just this year but for the foreseeable future, will be dried up The "great" depth some of the posters are talking about regarding Pens defense are mostly all prospects. For us, the Kings has (had) great defense prospect depth but it was veteran UFA signing like Scuderi and Mitchell that really solidify the defense. And its the veteran guys like Scuderi that the Pens were missing, sadly If I'm Shero then I don't think i'm taking more than a sniff at Parise. But I could see Crosby being adamant about the team going after his buddy and told Shero before he agreed to that extension. Which in this case would handcuff Shero, because what Crosby wants, Crosby gets
There is a huge hole on wing we need to addresss. Moving Staal puts a dent into how we produce in the postseason. So Zach fills a huge need.
We do need to get tougher on the backend, but moving Martin and allowing Niskanen and Despres to move up a spot and going after a solid stay at home guy is all we need. Solving that issue and going after Parise are not mutually exclusive.
As for your "what Crosby wants, Crosby gets". Yeah, look at his linemates since he's been in the league sans Hossa in 08 for a few months. He deserves some help on the wing. And signing for a discount solidifies that.
Like i said, if the rumors are true and Pitt offers 10 years at $8M, than Hollands sales pitch is pretty much dead in the water. Detroit cant match rosters and the "win now" talk with Pitt.
So now Detroit is hoping that Parise is all about the money, but I cant see Holland offering anything close to what has been rumored out of Minnesota.
Well if Detroit frontload's the deal it might persuade him to sign with Detroit.
That's there because you have your team built around Malkin and Crosby. Wingers are the less important defensively then centers...which you already had a plethora of before they moved Staal. What you're basically saying here is that you need more offense rather then defense. Which just isn't true.
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Moving Staal puts a dent into how we produce in the postseason. So Zach fills a huge need.
It puts a huge dent in your lineup in the center position and very massive hole defensively when combined with the loss of Michalek. The guy was a force offensively as well, but you already have that area of the game covered via Malkin, Crosby, and Neal. Your team was 1st in the league in goals scored last season by a fairly large margin. Even without Staal's 25 goals you would still be in fourth place league-wide. Meanwhile, your team was 12th in the league in goals against. Combine that with the post-season disaster and I think it's clear which area needs improvement. Finding a capable two-way d-man will help ease the pain both offensively and defensively of losing Staal.
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We do need to get tougher on the backend, but moving Martin and allowing Niskanen and Despres to move up a spot and going after a solid stay at home guy is all we need. Solving that issue and going after Parise are not mutually exclusive.
So your plan is to move one of your bigger name d-men (yes, I know he performed very lackluster last season) as well as Michalek and Staal and replace them with a prospect in Despres and a number four through six guy in Niskanen?
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Michalek a "solid stay at home guy"? As was Staal as far as forwards go?
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There is a huge hole on wing we need to addresss. Moving Staal puts a dent into how we produce in the postseason. So Zach fills a huge need.
We do need to get tougher on the backend, but moving Martin and allowing Niskanen and Despres to move up a spot and going after a solid stay at home guy is all we need. Solving that issue and going after Parise are not mutually exclusive.
As for your "what Crosby wants, Crosby gets". Yeah, look at his linemates since he's been in the league sans Hossa in 08 for a few months. He deserves some help on the wing. And signing for a discount solidifies that.
The huge hole is not that huge. Crosby and Malkin are all world and they have produce fine with or without help at wing. Crosby may deserve a wing but its not an area of needs. He's never struggling to produce...well i guess you can argue that not scoring 150+ pts per year is struggling for Crosby
I'm looking at your solution to improve your team and I just don't see it to be honest. Sign Parise. Trade a defenseman who is suppose to be your best stay at home defenseman (i know he's not). Move up your lower pairing guy and bring in rookie with 21 games NHL experience? And go after some unnamed stay at home guy is all you need? Great plan...
It's really not hard to follow. Martin is not a fit for this team. Niskanen can be a perfect #4 stopgap until Despres is ready to take on more minutes. We can look for a stay at home type either in free agency or via trade without pursuing Suter.
As for Parise. Not saying we need him. But acquiring an elite level talent to play behind Sid/Geno is a smart move after trading Staal and if one of Sid/Geno were to go down with injury.
Sid/Geno are all world. But they can't do it on their own in tight checking hockey. Having Pascal Dupuis and Steve Sullivan flanking Sid is an abomination and should never happen again.
I'll also add, there's a huge difference between Sid/Geno dominating in the regular season and what they'll have to face come postseason. Look what happened with Geno. Philly created a 5 man unit to shut him down and Sid didn't have the linemates to create much at ES after the first few games of the series.
According to our beat writer Russo, the Wild are willing to offer him upwards of $10 million per year if that's what it takes. Can't say I approve of that, it's pretty disgusting.
If Zach signs that kind of deal in Minnesota, there's going to be a lot of pressure on him. Wonder if some Devils fans could chime in with their analysis on whether or not they think Zach would be fine with dealing with that or he'd prefer to be more low key.
The most money to go home is enticing but there's definitely cons to taking that kind of deal also. Eating up a 7th of your entire cap is going to have all eyes on you on that team. At least with NJ, Pit, or Detroit he can blend in a bit.
We've seen Kovy struggle under the pressure of his contract sometimes. I think Parise would too. He'd give his all every game, but when the fans eventually turn on him for not living up to his contract, he'll have some rough going.
Didn't Parise say he wanted to play for a contender? If so...why would he sign with Minnesota?
Well if Parise is gonna sign long term, Minn has tremendous upside and they will be a playoff contender next year. Anyone can win the post-lockout NHL, if you're in the playoffs you basically have as good as a shot as anybody.
Well if Parise is gonna sign long term, Minn has tremendous upside and they will be a playoff contender next year. Anyone can win the post-lockout NHL, if you're in the playoffs you basically have as good as a shot as anybody.
Boston and LA were built very well. LA just didn't put it together until late in the season.
I think Minny will be good in due time, but they're not a contender in the near future.
Didn't Parise say he wanted to play for a contender? If so...why would he sign with Minnesota?
Before major injuries hit Minnesota was at worst a bubble playoff team. Maybe He feels that he and a top 2-3 prospect pool can make them contenders now and in the future.
The Wild obviously cant sell the word "Contender" like Pittsburgh or Detroit can, but it's not unthinkable that you could look at the rosters and see that Minnesota could be there soon.
Didn't Parise say he wanted to play for a contender? If so...why would he sign with Minnesota?
Not a fan of this argument. They're fairly close and adding Parise would put them in the discussion. Maybe he wants to be the guy that puts a team over the top?
Not a fan of this argument. They're fairly close and adding Parise would put them in the discussion. Maybe he wants to be the guy that puts a team over the top?
Wouldn't he need to go to a team that is in the discussion to put them over the top? Like you said, he would put Minnesota in the discussion. THere are plenty of teams he could go to that are already there and would be that much better with him. Also the hometown story is sweet and all but I'm not buying it.
