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06-30-2012, 06:47 PM
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I haven't been following the Schultz thing to closely. Did Anaheim do something to make him unhappy or did he just see an opportunity to play for the team of his choosing?
He said it had nothing to do with Anaheim.

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Only J.Schultz to Edmonton today, nothing else?

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Would love Prust. He's the top of my wish list for fourth liners, but he's also going to command 2 million (which is crazy). Carkner would be a perfect 6-7D if they move Weber and send McNabb to the A to bide his time. I'll be extremely happy tomorrow if they address the lack of toughness on the team, particularly when it comes to the pugilistic department.
Same with me. While it would be nice to land Parise or Suter (we're not getting either), this year, considering the market and the talent we already have, I'm fine going after the grinders, the gritty players that we need to add to make this team tougher and bigger. Those players are also far cheaper and truthfully the biggest need this team has right now. We don't need to spend big in free agency this summer.

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If we miss out on guys like Prust and Konopka I would call up New York and try to swing a Trade that involves Rupp.

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Gaustad 4/$13m re-signed in Nashville.


Now the stupid money begins. Anyone wanted him back at that price? I didn't either. Please hold your anti-Darcy comments.

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Why pay Suter when you can pay $3.25m a year Gaustad?

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$3.25m for ****ing Paul Gaustad.

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Yes! I had a fear we would sign him back this off-season.3.25 a year for 4 years?!?

About twice what he's worth.

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$3.25m for ****ing Paul Gaustad.
This x1000.

The Preds have the money to severely overpay for a glorified face-off specialist, but they wouldn't pony up for Suter.

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06-30-2012, 07:21 PM
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Well, as should be said in the fear thread, there's one less one for us to worry about. I love Goose but that's a bit much. A little steeper than I would have been willing to pay him to come back. I mean, July 1st means overpayment, but I thought $3M per for him was the absolute limit. I'm glad to see him re-signed so we weren't the ones overpaying him. It's not an atrocious contract and shouldn't be too crippling, but definitely too much.

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Horrible Singing for the Preds. Looks like Poile doesn't know he can get a Goose a lot cheaper then one for 3.25M

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Bring on Zenon Konopka. Two-year, $1.8M contract, a third of what Goose is making.

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Holy crap. 3 million+ over 4 years. People talked about it, but I honestly didn't think he would make that much money. Good luck to him in any case.

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He said it had nothing to do with Anaheim.
If I were in his situation I would do the same thing, unless there were something in particular about the Ducks that made me want to stay. I mean, who wouldn't, really? I think it's a bit funny how people are crappin' on the guy... they should crap on the loophole instead. Maybe that would plug it

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I haven't been following the Schultz thing to closely. Did Anaheim do something to make him unhappy or did he just see an opportunity to play for the team of his choosing?
He reportedly wanted to play for a Canadian team and I can't blame him for taking full advantage of the situation.

I mean, what's that appealing about Anaheim?
They're a cap floor team that seems to be headed for a rebuild.
Their top five scorers this next season could conceivably be on different teams or retired by this time next year (Getzlaf and Perry are set to become, as of right now, UFAs next July, Ryan is apparently being shopped, and Koivu and Selanne are old).
Since they have no depth, they're likely to be horrible after losing Koivu and Selanne and it gets even worse if they lose Getzlaf and Perry for nothing.

Even though Edmonton has been awful, at least they have their best players contracted for the foreseeable future and he'll likely be a big part of a team that projects to continually get better.

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This x1000.

The Preds have the money to severely overpay for a glorified face-off specialist, but they wouldn't pony up for Suter.
Oh, we would and have made a fair offer to Suter. But Suter's mind is elsewhere.

Nice try though.

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Holy crap. 3 million+ over 4 years. People talked about it, but I honestly didn't think he would make that much money. Good luck to him in any case.
This is what happens when the salary cap goes up, the average player makes more.

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06-30-2012, 09:01 PM
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He reportedly wanted to play for a Canadian team and I can't blame him for taking full advantage of the situation.

I mean, what's that appealing about Anaheim?
They're a cap floor team that seems to be headed for a rebuild.
Their top five scorers this next season could conceivably be on different teams or retired by this time next year (Getzlaf and Perry are set to become, as of right now, UFAs next July, Ryan is apparently being shopped, and Koivu and Selanne are old).
Since they have no depth, they're likely to be horrible after losing Koivu and Selanne and it gets even worse if they lose Getzlaf and Perry for nothing.

Even though Edmonton has been awful, at least they have their best players contracted for the foreseeable future and he'll likely be a big part of a team that projects to continually get better.
Here's a thought experiment for us fans. Schultz doesn't exist, he is you. Same draft year, same college performence, same realities in the NHL. Would you not want to leave and come play for the Sabres? Or a contending team? Or a team that appears to have an extremely bright and at least exciting future (Oilers)?

To me this is substantially different than Lindros refusing to play for the Nordiques or when a guy demands a trade in-season. I think it is much less worthy of being judged negatively, though personally I am not very judgmental of those other behaviors either. While I'm sure the Ducks have done a thing or two for him since he was drafted, with him being in the NCAA I reckon that was relatively minor and in either case they were simply looking out for themselves. He doesn't owe them anything and is free to take advantage of the rules of the CBA.

* Caveat: I do not know particulars of the situation which could potentially alter my perception, such as dialog between prospect on team, promises made, etc.

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Here's a thought experiment for us fans. Schultz doesn't exist, he is you. Same draft year, same college performence, same realities in the NHL. Would you not want to leave and come play for the Sabres? Or a contending team? Or a team that appears to have an extremely bright and at least exciting future (Oilers)?

To me this is substantially different than Lindros refusing to play for the Nordiques or when a guy demands a trade in-season. I think it is much less worthy of being judged negatively, though personally I am not very judgmental of those other behaviors either. While I'm sure the Ducks have done a thing or two for him since he was drafted, with him being in the NCAA I reckon that was relatively minor and in either case they were simply looking out for themselves. He doesn't owe them anything and is free to take advantage of the rules of the CBA.

* Caveat: I do not know particulars of the situation which could potentially alter my perception, such as dialog between prospect on team, promises made, etc.
I would think the fact that Anaheim spent a draft pick on him (and subsequently got nothing for it) would mean he at least owed them something.

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I would think the fact that Anaheim spent a draft pick on him (and subsequently got nothing for it) would mean he at least owed them something.
I couldn't agree less, frankly. If I were a player and you told me I owe someone because they spent an asset to own my rights, I would tell you that is mildly insulting. And if I were a black player I would tell you it's a lot more insulting

I think you see where I'm going with that. A team ponies up to own me as a hockey player (at least in North America) and thus limit where I can go in my career? Good for them, but why on earth would I owe them for the privilege of limiting my career's freedom?

I get where you're coming from. Certainly the organization has a right to be upset and the fan base has a right to hate the guy.

More than anything, the loophole needs to be addressed. It's unfairly good for players in that situation and the CBA should strive for a combination of fairness and practical necessity when dealing with rights issues for juniors, USHL, NCAA, Euro, etc players.

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06-30-2012, 09:20 PM
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It's not like Schultz held out on playing and refused to sign with Nashville when he was ready for the next point in his career. He was playing in college and when it was finished, he was so close to being a UFA it made no sense to not at least explore it.

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I couldn't agree less, frankly. If I were a player and you told me I owe someone because they spent an asset to own my rights, I would tell you that is mildly insulting. And if I were a black player I would tell you it's a lot more insulting

I think you see where I'm going with that. A team ponies up to own me as a hockey player (at least in North America) and thus limit where I can go in my career? Good for them, but why on earth would I owe them for the privilege of limiting my career's freedom?

I get where you're coming from. Certainly the organization has a right to be upset and the fan base has a right to hate the guy.

More than anything, the loophole needs to be addressed. It's unfairly good for players in that situation and the CBA should strive for a combination of fairness and practical necessity when dealing with rights issues for juniors, USHL, NCAA, Euro, etc players.
But the point is that he should, as a professional, have told Anaheim that he didn`t want to sign, so Anaheim could have gotten something for him. The way he went is clearly a self centered, Radulov like, me first attitude.

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But the point is that he should, as a professional, have told Anaheim that he didn`t want to sign, so Anaheim could have gotten something for him. The way he went is clearly a self centered, Radulov like, me first attitude.
What do you mean? When they drafted him?

You can't trade a player who you haven't even signed yet.

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What do you mean? When they drafted him?

You can't trade a player who you haven't even signed yet.
Can you not trade the players rights?

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