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06-29-2012, 02:49 PM
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If Carle wants a deal that's something like 6 years @ $5.5mil I'm fine with him leaving. Gives us more room for extensions to our young guys and can put more pressure on Meszaros, Schenn and Gustafsson to step up.

Timonen - Schenn/Coburn
Grossmann - Schenn/Coburn
Meszaros - Gustafsson/Bourdon
Lilja?

I'm happy with that. Then go get Enstrom at the deadline. Beauty!

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06-29-2012, 08:12 PM
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I think Kimmo would settle for less if he re-signed. He's one of the few guys who would take a little less because winning outweighs money at that point.

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LeBrun says Carle is indeed going to market!

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He said that the other day. Elliotte Friedman actually said a few weeks ago that he felt Carle wanted to move west, closer to home. Clearly didn't want him back bad enough, the Flyers don't let people they want to keep leave.

Hopefully the replacement doesn't cost much. Garrison might be out of reach, might be one of Kuba or Roszival, I think.

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OMG Kuba sucks.

He was brutal in the ECQF against the rangers. He lacks mobility in the worse way.

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Once Suter and Carle go, the options are thin.

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07-01-2012, 10:00 AM
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Once Suter and Carle go, the options are thin.
They are thin and they will be over payed. The best option at D will be through a trade, unless that cost is too high also. Either way the Flyer's at D are very weak without Carle.

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07-01-2012, 10:13 AM
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Hell no, I don't want that overpaid sack of crap back.

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They are thin and they will be over payed. The best option at D will be through a trade, unless that cost is too high also. Either way the Flyer's at D are very weak without Carle.
They're not that weak. Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros, Grossmann and L.Schenn are all good players, probably all top 4 defensmen, it's just playing well as a unit that isn't so good. Perhaps not enought variation (bar Kimmo) amongst them but then there isn't really a fix for that on the UFA market anyway. Trade probably is the only way to improve it but it's not as if that's the worse D ever. Just doesn't suit out system so much, not enough guys good at the transition game.

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They're not that weak. Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros, Grossmann and L.Schenn are all good players, probably all top 4 defensmen, it's just playing well as a unit that isn't so good. Perhaps not enought variation (bar Kimmo) amongst them but then there isn't really a fix for that on the UFA market anyway. Trade probably is the only way to improve it but it's not as if that's the worse D ever. Just doesn't suit out system so much, not enough guys good at the transition game.
I just don't want Kimmo to get over played again like the last couple seasons. Mez was horrible last year and Schenn we will have to see on because he was getting trash talked a lot by Maple Leaf fans last season (granted I only watched the Maple Leaf games against the Flyers last season). Coburn/Grossmann should be a rock solid pairing though.

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07-01-2012, 09:25 PM
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They are thin and they will be over payed. The best option at D will be through a trade, unless that cost is too high also. Either way the Flyer's at D are very weak without Carle.
But with Carle they are still not top rated. I'd rather go with what we have, which we all know is not top notch, but then go after someone at the trade deadline or next off season. Or, heaven forbid, actually develop one of our own. Keeping Carle will make our defense better but not good enough to really be considered Cup worthy. I'd rather save the money to use for someone who hopefully can make the defense Cup worthy.

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07-01-2012, 09:50 PM
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Heard a rumour today that Carle has come down to four teams - the Flyers, Sharks (very surprised), Ducks and Kings and that the lead team are the Ducks. Wow, is it possible that the Flyers might get skunked in free agency this year?

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07-01-2012, 10:11 PM
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Heard a rumour today that Carle has come down to four teams - the Flyers, Sharks (very surprised), Ducks and Kings and that the lead team are the Ducks. Wow, is it possible that the Flyers might get skunked in free agency this year?
Considering the contracts that it seems the big names (and some average names) may be getting, that could be a blessing in disguise. The Flyers have a huge amount of cap space tied up in an average defense. We will be needing cap flexibility for our forwards soon; one less insane contract would help.

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07-01-2012, 10:17 PM
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the sec Carle decided to try FA . his life as a Flyer should have been over.

while hes within his right to field offers. it also means Homer is within his rites to make sure Carle was instantly replaced.

you dont let ur wife go out and shop around for other guys. then come back home and pickup were u left off..

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07-01-2012, 11:37 PM
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LeBrun says Carle is indeed going to market!
Like an overfed beef cow?

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07-02-2012, 08:15 AM
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Heard a rumour today that Carle has come down to four teams - the Flyers, Sharks (very surprised), Ducks and Kings and that the lead team are the Ducks. Wow, is it possible that the Flyers might get skunked in free agency this year?
If the Ducks get him, it would make any Ryan deal that much more difficult since they might not want a d going back - or easier if they need cap space and are okay getting quantity.

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07-02-2012, 08:16 AM
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I just don't want Kimmo to get over played again like the last couple seasons. Mez was horrible last year and Schenn we will have to see on because he was getting trash talked a lot by Maple Leaf fans last season (granted I only watched the Maple Leaf games against the Flyers last season). Coburn/Grossmann should be a rock solid pairing though.
Kimmo wasn't being overplayed last year, until all the injuries hit.

He was behind Carle and Coburn (and Pronger) and comparable to Meszaros.

Regular season:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...=nav-sts-indiv

In the playoffs it was even more pronounced:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=timeOnIce

Let's face it, Carle's 25 min/game is going to be tough to replace if we don't sign him.

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07-02-2012, 09:59 AM
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Carle shouldn't have been playing 25 minutes while anchoring a pairing in the first place. He was in over his head, but there was no other option. I think it'll be fine.

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Without Carle, my ideal pairings would be:

Coburn - Grossmann
Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Gustaffson/Bourdon/Manning

If Holmgren manages to land Suter:

Suter - Coburn
Timonen - Schenn
Grossmann/Meszaros - Gustaffson/Bourdon/Manning

with one of Grossmann or (preferably) Meszaros traded for as good a return as possible.

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Without Carle, my ideal pairings would be:

Coburn - Grossmann
Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - Gustaffson/Bourdon/Manning

If Holmgren manages to land Suter:

Suter - Coburn
Timonen - Schenn
Grossmann/Meszaros - Gustaffson/Bourdon/Manning

with one of Grossmann or (preferably) Meszaros traded for as good a return as possible.
Part of it will depend on if we can package deal Mez away if we sign Suter. Otherwise we can't really afford to move any D because I do not like the idea of Lilja/Manning/MAB/Gus pairing out the bottom D.

I'm going to go under the presumption that no one want Kubina back even if he comes back for cheap?

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If homer lands suter we will have one of the best defensive groups in the entire NHL. I just can't see it happenening though.

Suter - Timonen - Easily one of the best top pairings in the league

Coburn - Grossman - worked against the penguins

Mezaros - Schenn - Ease him back into regular NHL action and let him develop properly just like we did for Mez when he got here.

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if the Flyers somehow land Suter, I think Mez is gone. traded for a pick. IMO

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