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Rick Nash - The Frenzy...continues

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07-01-2012, 11:04 PM
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This does seem like a fair deal.
However, I doubt Howson is willing to give up Nash for this package. Seems like he'd want much much more, according to the rumors and previous asking price.
Sather and Howson gotta meet halfway or Nash will probably be a CBJ when the season start. Doubt CBJ or Nash want that.

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07-01-2012, 11:12 PM
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This does seem like a fair deal.
However, I doubt Howson is willing to give up Nash for this package. Seems like he'd want much much more, according to the rumors and previous asking price.
Howson wants a stud young winger/surefire prospect to sell and market to the fanbase. Names like Kreider,Schenn, Couture, Ryan, Courtier, etc.). In essense, to replace Nash even if not as good yet. With his limited list of teams, this has proved quite the cumbersome task.

For the sake of making a deal, I am fine with these pieces (roster players, young, North American, some upside, some trade value DZ) etc.

Is Howson? Can't answer that. Is Sather? Can't answer that?

If the Rangers farm is as good as advertised I can't imagine he wouldn't d this deal and get Erixson and THomas/Miller ready with a mega upgrade in Nash on the wing

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07-01-2012, 11:13 PM
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So for anyone who just joined or is just plain lazy we (CBJ and Ranger fans) have FINALLY come to an agreement.


Dubinsky + Hagelin + Del Zotto + 1st for Nash + 2nd.




Where's GagneFan and IheartZherdev at? I wanna see what they think.
Thats good for me honestly.

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What frenzy? He seems like the overpriced handbag on ebay nobody's bidding on that keeps getting re-listed...

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so as a none blue jacket fan or ranger fan personally i think it is overpayment by the rangers, now i wont deny nash's skill but look at the numbers, and considering his contract it is not like he is putting up malkin/stamkos/crosby numbers


02/03 74 games 17 goals 22 assists 39 points
03/04 80 games 40 goals 16 assists 56 points
05/06 54 games 31 goals 23 assists 54 points
06/07 75 games 27 goals 30 assists 57 points
07/08 80 games 38 goals 31 assists 69 points
08/09 78 games 40 goals 39 assists 79 points
09/10 76 games 33 goals 34 assists 67 points
10/11 75 games 32 goals 34 assists 66 points
11/12 82 games 30 goals 29 assists 59 points

now looking at the numbers he has played a full season just once
he has only been a point a game twice, but never had a huge year
only hit 40 goals twice

does he have alot of skill? yes ofcourse
but people need to realize he isnt a crosby... ovechkin... malkin... stamkos

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so as a none blue jacket fan or ranger fan personally i think it is overpayment by the rangers, now i wont deny nash's skill but look at the numbers, and considering his contract it is not like he is putting up malkin/stamkos/crosby numbers


02/03 74 games 17 goals 22 assists 39 points
03/04 80 games 40 goals 16 assists 56 points
05/06 54 games 31 goals 23 assists 54 points
06/07 75 games 27 goals 30 assists 57 points
07/08 80 games 38 goals 31 assists 69 points
08/09 78 games 40 goals 39 assists 79 points
09/10 76 games 33 goals 34 assists 67 points
10/11 75 games 32 goals 34 assists 66 points
11/12 82 games 30 goals 29 assists 59 points

now looking at the numbers he has played a full season just once
he has only been a point a game twice, but never had a huge year
only hit 40 goals twice

does he have alot of skill? yes ofcourse
but people need to realize he isnt a crosby... ovechkin... malkin... stamkos
and he's never got to play with players like they do either

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This does seem like a fair deal.
However, I doubt Howson is willing to give up Nash for this package. Seems like he'd want much much more, according to the rumors and previous asking price.
But I don't think slats has offered 3 roster players...

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Howson needs to lower the price or up the ante. Nash has a terribly big contract that is hard to move, so Howson has to accept at least some salary coming the other way and at least to package Nash with a pick. However, he is a terrible GM who shouldn't be expected to make such a reasonable decision.

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But I don't think slats has offered 3 roster players...
Heavy deal on 2nd/3rd line roster players for sure. Pretty unconventional....

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What frenzy? He seems like the overpriced handbag on ebay nobody's bidding on that keeps getting re-listed...
Funny you mention that. I just logged into eBay an hour ago and noticed that a jersey I'd kept an eye on for close to a year sold. The guy had listed it probably 25-30 times at a certain opening bid, and no one ever touched that price.

Suddenly, on the last listing cycle, a minor bidding war broke out between two people.

It only takes one person to go crazy, or two people to suddenly decide to make a play on something, for everything to go out the window.

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Just an outsider who has pretty much stayed out of the whole Nash thing but, this question is for CBJ fans. How confident are you guys in Howson's abilities? And one more thinkg, do you guys still chuckle when they call you BJ fans?

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So for anyone who just joined or is just plain lazy we (CBJ and Ranger fans) have FINALLY come to an agreement.


Dubinsky + Hagelin + Del Zotto + 1st for Nash + 2nd.




Where's GagneFan and IheartZherdev at? I wanna see what they think.
Well thanks for speaking for NYR fans but I definitely wouldn't do that. It'd leave our D with 3 legit players, without a guarantee of Stralman signing or Erixon making the team. But like another poster said, I don't want Nash either.

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Heavy deal on 2nd/3rd line roster players for sure. Pretty unconventional....
Yup it is... It might not be the face of a franchise, but ur probably getting 150 pts and ur getting 3 guaranteed roster players and who knows u might be able to net a hell of a return for dubi + mdz

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How could he not want to play for Ottawa?

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Just an outsider who has pretty much stayed out of the whole Nash thing but, this question is for CBJ fans. How confident are you guys in Howson's abilities? And one more thinkg, do you guys still chuckle when they call you BJ fans?
I certainly do not speak for everyone (as my user title attests to), but I have more confidence than most in Howson. He's made several very good trades, the drafting has improved dramatically (the notable blemish being Filatov), and it hasn't translated to the ice.

I'm of the opinion that, when he took over in 2007, the team from top to bottom was stocked with so little talent that it would take several years to even become "mediocre". This is in retrospect; at the time, no one knew how bad the prospects in the system really were. The NHL roster was middling at best, and the best players (except Nash) were old and past their primes. But the farm system was totally barren. From top to bottom, I can probably say that the CBJ in 2007 had the least talent of any NHL team, and there may be quite a gap between them and 29th.

How little talent was there, you may ask? When Howson took over, the long-running joke was that if a forward went down to injury, the next move would be to call up Alex Picard or Geoff Platt from the AHL; they were the two next-best guys. If a defenseman went down, it was either Filip Novak or Derrick Walser. That was seven years after entering the league. There's an excellent thread on our board that details the MacLean drafts and trades, and also the Howson drafts and trades...it's night and day. But I don't think anyone realizes how immense of an uphill climb it was to simply hit 75 points in a season.

You may say that Chicago was in a similar situation...partially true. But they were largely stocked from 2001-04, with the Toews and Kane picks and Campbell signing putting them over the top. Many teams who were poor from 2005-09 were simply waiting for their prospects to mature; most of them came into the system before 2007. Every one of those drafts was an opportunity forever lost. 2003...All-Stars galore. Even Atlanta, whose front office could read Superman comic books and never figure out who Clark Kent was, got Tobias Enstrom. Columbus got Zherdev, Dan Fritsche, and Marc Methot.

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Well thanks for speaking for NYR fans but I definitely wouldn't do that. It'd leave our D with 3 legit players, without a guarantee of Stralman signing or Erixon making the team. But like another poster said, I don't want Nash either.
This.

I doubt Sather pulls from his blueline to get Nash (unless he has Murray coming back). NYR was already to thin back there to get by NJD during the POs. I would guess JT Miller in place of MDZ plus whatever additional draft pick/prospect to make up for the drop.

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Dubinsky + Hagelin + Miller + 1st + other pick/prospects for Nash

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I wonder if/when Howsen will lower his asking price.

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so for anyone who just joined or is just plain lazy we (cbj and ranger fans) have finally come to an agreement.


Dubinsky + hagelin + del zotto + 1st for nash + 2nd.




Where's gagnefan and iheartzherdev at? I wanna see what they think:d.
terrible deal..who r u to talk for all nyr fans...i never agreed to this..do u see what u are giving up..look at nashs cap hit n stats.huge over payment..i do thomas,dubinky and hagelin.the most!! Or hagelin,1st rnd in13,erixon/ thomas.

Nash isnt a leader like that and having him is not bringing the cup to ny..and u wanna give up hagelin,dubi ,mdz and a 1st..what are u smokin.man!!!! =\

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If you think that deal is an overpayment for the Rangers, add in Brassard.

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THIS IS how i look at it:

-Rangers get a top 3 fwd,1st line winger
-CBJ gets 2nd line winger in Dubi,potential 2nd line winger / great 3 rd line winger in Hagelin(if all pans out right),a top pairing d man in MDZ, a projected top 6 prospect in Thomas and a 1st rndr in 2013 which could be a potential top 6 fwd or top 2 pairing dman...that is way way not fair. And all for Nash a 60 point winger with a horrible cap hit..No fkn way man...thats why i say over payment.

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Getting Nash while keeping Kreider and Stepan would be a very, very nice win for the Raggies IMO.

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THIS IS how i look at it:

-Rangers get a top 3 fwd,1st line winger
-CBJ gets 2nd line winger in Dubi,potential 2nd line winger / great 3 rd line winger in Hagelin(if all pans out right),a top pairing d man in MDZ, a projected top 6 prospect in Thomas and a 1st rndr in 2013 which could be a potential top 6 fwd or top 2 pairing dman...that is way way not fair. And all for Nash a 60 point winger with a horrible cap hit..No fkn way man...thats why i say over payment.
Dubi is a 3rd liner, 2nd line tweener. Thomas is not a top prospect, he's to wild to it. He's either gonna be great or awful in NHL.

Nash makes up for those losses. Hagelin stings a little bit but we still keep Kreider so I'm fine.

Del Zotto sucks to lose but we got Staal, McDonagh, Girardi, Erixon + Sauer (hopefully), Stralman + potential UFA signings.

Gotta give to get.

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no.....
See what fans who have more objectivity think?

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I know that it stings losing Hagelin and our PMD in Del Zotto but look at the depth chart, and think of what we get to keep.


Forwards

Richards
Gaborik
Callahan
Stepan
Kreider


And then you add Nash, great top 6 IMO.



Defense

Girardi
Staal
McDonagh
Sauer (if he gets healthy)
Erixon(great in the AHL in his 1st year, got huge 2nd pairing potential)
Stralman (played very well, not flashy but he gets the job done)
Potential ufa signings



Random order on the lists, no ranking system btw.



Nash-Richards-Gaborik
CK-Stepan-Callahan

vs

Hagelin-Richards-Gaborik
CK-Stepan-Callahan

Dubinsky didn't even make our top 6 lol.



McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Erixon (if he can play as a RD)/Sauer/Stralman
Erixon-Ufa


Instead of

McD-Girardi
Staal-Sauer/Stralman
Del Zotto-Stralman/Ufa


which lines are better...

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I know that it stings losing Hagelin and our PMD in Del Zotto but look at the depth chart, and think of what we get to keep.


Forwards

Richards
Gaborik
Callahan
Stepan
Kreider


And then you add Nash, great top 6 IMO.



Defense

Girardi
Staal
McDonagh
Sauer (if he gets healthy)
Erixon(great in the AHL in his 1st year, got huge 2nd pairing potential)
Stralman (played very well, not flashy but he gets the job done)
Potential ufa signings



Random order on the lists, no ranking system btw.



Nash-Richards-Gaborik
CK-Stepan-Callahan

vs

Hagelin-Richards-Gaborik
CK-Stepan-Callahan

Dubinsky didn't even make our top 6 lol.



McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Erixon (if he can play as a RD)/Sauer/Stralman
Erixon-Ufa


Instead of

McD-Girardi
Staal-Sauer/Stralman
Del Zotto-Stralman/Ufa


which lines are better...
Sauer is done, Erixon won't be in the top 4 to start the year, neither will Stralman.

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