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07-02-2012, 10:16 AM
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New Leafs coach Randy Carlyle and Bobby Ryan have a history and its not a positive symbiotic relation between coach and player, but rather more an oil and water one that doesn't mix well.

Ryan was often mentioned in trade talks while Carlyle was Anaheim's coach, because he didn't fit into the coach's system.

Besides the Leafs chose to trade for winger JVR, and if Ryan was their prime target they would have attempted to go down that road instead. Perhaps they tried unsuccessful who knows and JVR was the fall back plan.

Unless they want to upgrade on Kulemin, by including him + more in a package for Ryan, I don't see this happening. Leafs need a #1 C and #1 G or even a #1 D as all higher priorities than trading for more wingers the only position they have an abundance of already.
An abundance that could do with an upgrade where and when possible.

Address at center and goal? Sure. But the club, any club is wise to augment when they can, and if those improvements (size and skill at position) aren't surfacing through the market, then trade suffices just as well.

Kulemin's a RW, Ryan a LW, perhaps the flip is a couple of assets other than NK. Hope so...A line with Ryan and Kulemin flanking a center - Grabovski? - would be fantastic.

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07-02-2012, 10:18 AM
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And Steve Ott took over 1000 and primarily played wing...
Little easier to manage that when your a bottom-six guy, rather than wanting a guy who doesn't take FO's (or play center regularly - IIRC) to be the teams #1 center.

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Oh God. Poor, poor, poor Leaf fans. I feel sorry for all my brothers that they have to put up with this garbage from a media. A media that has zero credibility and morals.

It really has become a big joke. It's like every trade deadline, draft, and UFA is April Fools all over for Leaf fans. Each event roles around and the Leafs are getting Ryan, Richards, Luongo (was to be done at the draft), and Getzlaf -- I could go on an on. We could list 50-100 names that were rumoured to be coming to the Leafs and never happen.

It has gotten to a point where it's sad. Each passing event the Leafs fail to pick up rumoured star and it's like April Fools all over for Leaf fans.
I like reading these posts more than I like reading rumours

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This is just setting me up to be disapointed unless..... Burke could get it done!

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Oh God. Poor, poor, poor Leaf fans. I feel sorry for all my brothers that they have to put up with this garbage from a media. A media that has zero credibility and morals.

It really has become a big joke. It's like every trade deadline, draft, and UFA is April Fools all over for Leaf fans. Each event roles around and the Leafs are getting Ryan, Richards, Luongo (was to be done at the draft), and Getzlaf -- I could go on an on. We could list 50-100 names that were rumoured to be coming to the Leafs and never happen.

It has gotten to a point where it's sad. Each passing event the Leafs fail to pick up rumoured star and it's like April Fools all over for Leaf fans.
And yet every now and then, a "Schenn for JVR" rumour pans out.

You know, I've yet to see people who post in complete confidence in their powers to predict certainty, or who claim ownership of hindsight as something always obvious, exert same excessive confidence when their assertions are proven wrong...Must be a self-perception thing...

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I really dont see a match trade wise.

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Bobby Ryan didn't want to play in Anaheim because of Carlyle, i doubt he'll come to Toronto

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Bobby Ryan didn't want to play in Anaheim because of Carlyle, i doubt he'll come to Toronto
Bobby Ryan would of asked for a trade much earlier if he couldn't stand Carlyle. Had his best years under him as well.

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New Leafs coach Randy Carlyle and Bobby Ryan have a history and its not a positive symbiotic relation between coach and player, but rather more an oil and water one that doesn't mix well.

Ryan was often mentioned in trade talks while Carlyle was Anaheim's coach, because he didn't fit into the coach's system.

Besides the Leafs chose to trade for winger JVR, and if Ryan was their prime target they would have attempted to go down that road instead. Perhaps they tried unsuccessful who knows and JVR was the fall back plan.

Unless they want to upgrade on Kulemin, by including him + more in a package for Ryan, I don't see this happening. Leafs need a #1 C and #1 G or even a #1 D as all higher priorities than trading for more wingers the only position they have an abundance of already.
Even when Carlyle left Ryan was still mentioned in trade talks: When Murray called his team out in Nov, trade deadline, early June, draft, and now.

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Lol at all this talk over "don't be surprised if bobby Ryan becomes a leaf." Think about what that means - absolutely nothing.

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it would be great if it happened but shannon has zero credibility, i think my mother has scooped as many trades as him

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Bobby Ryan didn't want to play in Anaheim because of Carlyle, i doubt he'll come to Toronto
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Despite John Shannon's advice, I will be very surprised if we bring in Bobby Ryan.

This is also the same John Shannon from PTS who loved the Wideman trade and thinks that Pavelec is one of the top goalies in the league when every measure of a goalie says that is not the case? John "I know nothing" Shannon?

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An abundance that could do with an upgrade where and when possible.

Address at center and goal? Sure. But the club, any club is wise to augment when they can, and if those improvements (size and skill at position) aren't surfacing through the market, then trade suffices just as well.

Kulemin's a RW, Ryan a LW, perhaps the flip is a couple of assets other than NK. Hope so...A line with Ryan and Kulemin flanking a center - Grabovski? - would be fantastic.
So you're suggesting our top 6 is ..

Lupul -- XXXX -- Kessel
Ryan ---Grabovski -- Kulemin

So where does newly acquired JVR making $4.25 mil play ? Unless its Van Riemsdyk that is heading to Anaheim for Ryan as an upgrade.

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New Leafs coach Randy Carlyle and Bobby Ryan have a history and its not a positive symbiotic relation between coach and player, but rather more an oil and water one that doesn't mix well.

Ryan was often mentioned in trade talks while Carlyle was Anaheim's coach, because he didn't fit into the coach's system.

Besides the Leafs chose to trade for winger JVR, and if Ryan was their prime target they would have attempted to go down that road instead. Perhaps they tried unsuccessful who knows and JVR was the fall back plan.

Unless they want to upgrade on Kulemin, by including him + more in a package for Ryan, I don't see this happening. Leafs need a #1 C and #1 G or even a #1 D as all higher priorities than trading for more wingers the only position they have an abundance of already.

The relationship between Ryan and Carlyle is an issue. I would think it far more likely that they take a run at Getzlaf.

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i wonder if Reilly, Blacker, or Percy would be involved

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shannon and may are on Sportsnet right now.

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this is where i heard the Bobby Ryan statement.

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So you're suggesting our top 6 is ..

Lupul -- XXXX -- Kessel
Ryan ---Grabovski -- Kulemin

So where does newly acquired JVR making $4.25 mil play ?
always sad when your number 1 centre is XXXX

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Oh God. Poor, poor, poor Leaf fans. I feel sorry for all my brothers that they have to put up with this garbage from a media. A media that has zero credibility and morals.

It really has become a big joke. It's like every trade deadline, draft, and UFA is April Fools all over for Leaf fans. Each event roles around and the Leafs are getting Ryan, Richards, Luongo (was to be done at the draft), and Getzlaf -- I could go on an on. We could list 50-100 names that were rumoured to be coming to the Leafs and never happen.

It has gotten to a point where it's sad. Each passing event the Leafs fail to pick up rumoured star and it's like April Fools all over for Leaf fans.
And then every Leafs fan is suddenly against Management because the deals never happened.

The media in Toronto does far more damage than people think. It's their job to sell papers or television ratings, whatever way possible - including bull**** rumours.

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it's possible that JVR could be flipped in a deal for Ryan.

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So you're suggesting our top 6 is ..

Lupul -- XXXX -- Kessel
Ryan ---Grabovski -- Kulemin

So where does newly acquired JVR making $4.25 mil play ? Unless its Van Riemsdyk that is heading to Anaheim for Ryan as an upgrade.
Ryan-XXXX-Kessel
JVR-Grabo-Lupul

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So you're suggesting our top 6 is ..

Lupul -- JVR -- Kessel
Ryan ---Grabovski -- Kulemin

So where does newly acquired JVR making $4.25 mil play ? Unless its Van Riemsdyk that is heading to Anaheim for Ryan as an upgrade.
Right here.

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Perhaps Getzlaf would be a better target, who satisfies more needs.

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always sad when your number 1 centre is XXXX
Which was essentially my point, of why would Leafs want Ryan and more wingers when they have far more pressing needs like a #1 center..

If you're going to spend more young/valuable assets shouldn't they be better sacrificed to actually fill a vital important spot instead ?

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