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07-02-2012, 10:48 AM
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if Burke pulls this off and Ryan plays the 1C role would everyone label him playing that position as an "experiment"?

doubtful.

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07-02-2012, 10:51 AM
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If anyone knows its Carlyle. So my thoughts are either JVR or Ryan are playing center if this happens.

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07-02-2012, 10:52 AM
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I really dont see a match trade wise.
expand on this a little.

the leafs have blue chip wingers, blue liners, and future draft picks.

there could easily be a match.

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07-02-2012, 10:55 AM
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New Leafs coach Randy Carlyle and Bobby Ryan have a history and its not a positive symbiotic relation between coach and player, but rather more an oil and water one that doesn't mix well.

Ryan was often mentioned in trade talks while Carlyle was Anaheim's coach, because he didn't fit into the coach's system.

Besides the Leafs chose to trade for winger JVR, and if Ryan was their prime target they would have attempted to go down that road instead. Perhaps they tried unsuccessful who knows and JVR was the fall back plan.

Unless they want to upgrade on Kulemin, by including him + more in a package for Ryan, I don't see this happening. Leafs need a #1 C and #1 G or even a #1 D as all higher priorities than trading for more wingers the only position they have an abundance of already.
Then why is Ryan asking for a trade? He should know by now that Carlyle isn't his coach any longer.

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07-02-2012, 10:56 AM
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Isn't John Shannon the guy that looks like a 65 year old Bubbles? The guy that makes me giggle every time I see him on TV?

Regardless, Anaheim would want a much needed number two centre coming back in the deal. So the Leafs would have to package their best centre (Grabovski) to get stronger at the wing position, leaving us with Bozak, Connolly and McClement down the middle. That makes me a little vomitty.

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07-02-2012, 10:58 AM
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So you're suggesting our top 6 is ..

Lupul -- XXXX -- Kessel
Ryan ---Grabovski -- Kulemin

So where does newly acquired JVR making $4.25 mil play ? Unless its Van Riemsdyk that is heading to Anaheim for Ryan as an upgrade.
No, I was simply correcting the position attribution, noting that if we can upgrade at any position, we should. That a position for position swing doesn't remove Kulemin from the fold, and in that scenario, I was just musing on what an exciting (to me) combination that could be...A rejuvenated Kulemin on one side, a rejuvenated Ryan on the other and Grabovski motivated as always. All three physical and skilled...that's an exciting proposition to me.

Maybe JVR as others have said plays center?

Besides, who in their right mind is going to complain about having two 2nd overall picks, at 6'2 and 6'3, 25 and under, on a club needing size and skill at forward?

As a Leafs fan, that's a nice problem to have for the first time (should it happen) in a long time, methinks.

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07-02-2012, 10:58 AM
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This is the trade we should of made instead of JVR. Would cost more but were getting a much better player and know what we are getting in Ryan.
Actually making both deals is the correct course of action.

Alone JVR or Ryan aren't enough to make a difference in overall top6/9 size but combined they are.

Ryan -------- Kessel
JVR Grabovski Lupul



Ryan for Kadri (Young F), Blacker/Percy (Young D), 1st 2013 (High Pick), Komisarek (Salary Dump)


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07-02-2012, 11:09 AM
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So you're suggesting our top 6 is ..

Lupul -- XXXX -- Kessel
Ryan ---Grabovski -- Kulemin

So where does newly acquired JVR making $4.25 mil play ? Unless its Van Riemsdyk that is heading to Anaheim for Ryan as an upgrade.
Lupul - XXX - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Ryan

Kulemin - Bozak - Frattin
Komarov - McClement - Brown

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07-02-2012, 11:11 AM
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And then every Leafs fan is suddenly against Management because the deals never happened.

The media in Toronto does far more damage than people think. It's their job to sell papers or television ratings, whatever way possible - including bull**** rumours.
Agreed.

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Then why is Ryan asking for a trade? He should know by now that Carlyle isn't his coach any longer.
Part of Ryan's trade request comments include his treatment over the years in Anaheim and their apparently lack of appreciation for what he has accomplished.

That than squarely includes his former coach in that process as part of the management team that he is calling out in this case.

If Luke Schenn came out and said he wasn't a good fit in Toronto system when he describes his time there, do no you not believe former coach Wilson Run-&-Gun style wouldn't be a big part of that, rather than just his current coach only?

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07-02-2012, 11:17 AM
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Part of Ryan's trade request comments include his treatment over the years in Anaheim and their apparently lack of appreciation for what he has accomplished.

That than squarely includes his former coach in that process as part of the management team that he is calling out in this case.

If Luke Schenn came out and said he wasn't a good fit in Toronto system when he describes his time there, do no you not believe former coach Wilson Run-&-Gun style wouldn't be a big part of that, rather than his current coach only?
trade comments were with him being shopped by Murray. Nothing to do with Carlyle.

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07-02-2012, 11:20 AM
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Oh God. Poor, poor, poor Leaf fans. I feel sorry for all my brothers that they have to put up with this garbage from a media. A media that has zero credibility and morals.

It really has become a big joke. It's like every trade deadline, draft, and UFA is April Fools all over for Leaf fans. Each event roles around and the Leafs are getting Ryan, Richards, Luongo (was to be done at the draft), and Getzlaf -- I could go on an on. We could list 50-100 names that were rumoured to be coming to the Leafs and never happen.

It has gotten to a point where it's sad. Each passing event the Leafs fail to pick up rumoured star and it's like April Fools all over for Leaf fans.
He did not say that the Leafs are getting Ryan, he was just expressing his opinion that dont be surprised if they do get him. Nobody made any concrete claims.

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07-02-2012, 11:21 AM
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trade comments were with him being shopped by Murray. Nothing to do with Carlyle.
Ryan was being shopped in the past also, when Carlyle was his coach.

Players that are productive and fitting into a coaches system and are a part of the teams plan are not shopped.

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07-02-2012, 11:23 AM
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Ryan was being shopped in the past also, when Carlyle was his coach.

Players that are productive and fitting into a coaches system and are a part of the teams plan are not shopped.
FYI, Perry and Getzlaf were shopped earlier in the season as well. Of course Ryan would be the guy to go if you have to decide between 3 of them.

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07-02-2012, 11:23 AM
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No way this will happen. None of the big names are coming here it's all bs talk without credibility. Can't wait to see the next weak ass trade burke does. I gave up long time ago and don't fall all this talk with any of the Toronto teams. Same way Steve nash won't go to the raptors even though he's offered the most money, a future job with the organization and he's Canadian. What a joke, the media likes to blow smoke up our *****.

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07-02-2012, 11:32 AM
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Don't be surprised if what John Shannon's saying is complete and utter ********!

We're not getting Ryan. We don't have the depth on the roster yet to trade for him and he doesn't fit our needs.

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07-02-2012, 11:33 AM
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Part of Ryan's trade request comments include his treatment over the years in Anaheim and their apparently lack of appreciation for what he has accomplished.

That than squarely includes his former coach in that process as part of the management team that he is calling out in this case.

If Luke Schenn came out and said he wasn't a good fit in Toronto system when he describes his time there, do no you not believe former coach Wilson Run-&-Gun style wouldn't be a big part of that, rather than just his current coach only?
Interesting that Carlyle played Ryan more minutes per game than Boudreau has but Carlyle was part of the problem of lack of appreciation.

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07-02-2012, 11:37 AM
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Grabo would have to be going back at the min. Grabo 1st 2013 plus plus

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To trade Bobby Ryan, the Ducks want a few pieces, including a 2nd line center.

Grabo would be gone.

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To trade Bobby Ryan, the Ducks want a few pieces, including a 2nd line center.

Grabo would be gone.
maybe kadri.....if they didnt mean nhl ready

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If we get Bobby Ryan it'd be much easier to flip him in a trade for a legit #1C over a package of Kadri++

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If we get Bobby Ryan it'd be much easier to flip him in a trade for a legit #1C over a package of Kadri++
I don't think Burke would acquire Ryan just to flip him though.

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Yeah same here, just saying though

Assuming Kadri+Kulemin+prospect/pick would do it we'd have a deadly top six.

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Ryan

I'd say that we'd be fine rolling into next season with that, we were one of the highest scoring teams last season and that just make us more dangerous even without a 1C

D and G are still kind of iffy though

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Yeah same here, just saying though

Assuming Kadri+Kulemin+prospect/pick would do it we'd have a deadly top six.

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Ryan

I'd say that we'd be fine rolling into next season with that, we were one of the highest scoring teams last season and that just make us more dangerous even without a 1C

D and G are still kind of iffy though
we would have to wait a year or two before our D prospects step into the NHL if we go with that forward roster. Still would like a defensive defencemen with wheels added to the group.

Long term (or two years time) on D should be

Phaneuf-Reilly
Gardiner-XXXX
Gunnarson-Blacker

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If Ryan is traded it will most likely be to Philadelphia as they have the NHL ready assets to trade and Holmgren has shown interest for years in trying to acquire Ryan.

Unless Burke really wants to sell parts of the roster and futures for Ryan to become a Maple Leaf the chances of this happening is slim.

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