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07-02-2012, 11:15 AM
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"There can be no justice so long as laws are absolute" - William T. Riker
This is true. Certainly you don't empty the cupboard for an aging veteran. The issue with Nolan was not just age but a bad back. He was not playing at the time the deal was made. Who gives up significant assets for an injured player?

If a 32 year old Pavel Datsyuk becomes available and it doesn't cost 15 1st round picks -- it should be considered.

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07-02-2012, 11:57 AM
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Opportunity cost and loss is not measured by other failures, but rather what successes were potentially passed up by making a short-term move.

Leafs could have drafted players like Mike Richards or Corey Perry etc had they kept the pick instead of trading it, because those players were still available at the time or Leafs original draft spot. How would either of them look in a Leaf jersey today because it was a possibility without the trade?.

If you want to argue that had Leafs kept it, they would have likely wasted the pick anyways on a bad selection therefore the Nolan trade was worthwhile, than that is your prerogative to do so. However all you're doing is trying to pass blame from a bad trade to bad scouting to pretend the Nolan trade was the better choice of two evils.
It all comes down to increasing your chances at winning a cup vs. the chances of drafting a future star. The Leafs were a legit contender, but an aging one. It was the right move to make at the time, just not in retrospect.

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07-02-2012, 12:14 PM
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I think we should leave Nash alone regardless of age, Howsen's asking price is laughable.

If the Canucks are indeed asking for Grabs + Kadri + 1st in 2013 (or similar) type of deal for Luongo, Burke will not make that trade.

So in this situation I think the age of the players is irrelevant, its the high cost of both that is the problem.
i think the asking price for luongo is laughable. id rather sign a backup to help Reimer and Scrivens and let these guys battle it out, its going to be tough some nights but it will be good in the end.

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07-02-2012, 12:15 PM
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It all comes down to increasing your chances at winning a cup vs. the chances of drafting a future star. The Leafs were a legit contender, but an aging one. It was the right move to make at the time, just not in retrospect.
this. if your a contender who cares about 1st rounders... ur trying to get a cup. (ie look at the Kaberle trade with Boston last year)

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07-02-2012, 01:02 PM
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Probably one of the worst trades we made(justified because we were a contender) was the Owen Nolan trade which stripped of us McCauley + Boyes + 1st. Equivalent to today its probably Grabs + Kadri + 1st in 2013.

We traded for a guy that was over the hill and never contributed much in Toronto. He never really was injury prone until he came to Toronto.

Why was trading for a 31 year old when we were a contender any different from trading for a 28 year old now? By the time we are realistically a contender that guy will be 31 MINIMUM.

This is why you build from the ground up and don't trade any decent younger assets away, ever!

BTW, How old are Nash and Luongo again?
Looking back the leafs really gave up nothing for Nolan. McCauley was a 4th liner, barely hanging on to his roster spot with the leafs. He was out of hockey a couple years later. Boyes is a has been with one good year and the pick became a d-man Mark Stuart... who?? yeah... exactly plays for the Jets as a 6th d-man.

It was a great trade for the leafs they gave up nothing for a great player who was their best player until an eye injury. Nolan was never the same after the injury.

The equivalent trade would be Steckel, Deschamp and the 24th pick in the draft. This is a bigger miss than hit spot.


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07-02-2012, 01:08 PM
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No more trading first round picks, thanks.
You build through the draft and that means, unless you are Ken Holland and the Detroit Red Wings, you keep your draft picks.
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Toronto is too young

but damm look at EDMONTON, LOL
It's amazing what 3 1st overall picks will do for a team.

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07-02-2012, 01:09 PM
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Well we were in "win now" mode then. Unless you win the cup afterwards, you lose the trade unless they resign with you.

Boyes has really fallen off the map. A few years ago had over 40 goals and now signs for like 1 million or whatever it was.

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07-02-2012, 01:18 PM
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In Quinn's 3 years as GM he had 2 first round draft picks.
In JFJ's 4 years as GM he had 2 first round draft picks.
Entering in Burke's 4th year as GM and he's had 4 first round draft picks.

Quinn traded a first round pick once in his time in Toronto.
JFJ traded a first round pick twice in his time in Toronto.
Burke traded two first round draft picks in one trade in his time in Toronto.

Correct and Quinn acquired a large number of 3rd and 4th round picks in his first 3 drafts.

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"There can be no justice so long as laws are absolute" - William T. Riker
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