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07-02-2012, 11:26 AM
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Leighton sucks.

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Let me ask you (and everyone else crying about this) this simple question: What do you think Leighton's stats will be and what do you think a goalie on a similar contract would get and why? If you can give me some legitimate answer to that question (other than HE HASN'T SHOWN HE CAN DO IT! which clearly is not true based on his career numbers), I will never defend him again. HE SUCKS is not a valid response.
Why did 29 teams pass on him at $775K? Surely, if Leighton was a legitimate backup, one of those teams would have snapped him up at a discount price. Simply put, not a single NHL team not based in Philadelphia thinks he is an NHL capable goalie. Not a single one.

None of us knows what Leighton's stats will be this year. Comparing another goalie on a comparable contract is a challenge because Leighton is overpaid at $900K.

But for comparison purposes: (2011-12 stats and salary - goalies who started 35 games or fewer - i.e. real backups)

Montoya - Islanders - $600K - 31 games, 3.10 GAA, .893 SV%
Bobrovsky - Flyers - $900K - 29 games, 3.02 GAA, .899 SV%
Emery - Chicago - $600K - 34 games, 2.81 GAA, .900 SV%
Enroth - Buffalo - $625K - 26 games, 2.70 GAA, .917 SV%
Harding - Wild - $750K - 34 games, 2.62 GAA, .917 SV%
Clemmensen - FLA - $1.5M - 30 games, 2.57 GAA, .913 SV%
Giguere - COL - $1.25M - 32 games, 2.27 GAA, .919 SV%
Hedberg - Devils - $1.25M - 32 games, 2.23 GAA, .918 SV%
Schneider - VAN - $900K - 33 games, 1.96 GAA, .937 SV% *

*Schneider is getting a big raise and the starting job next season, so not a fair comparison.

Montoya had worse stats last year than Leighton's career numbers, at $300K less and with a crap team in front of him. Bob is comparable, however, he's far younger and has the potential to surpass Leighton's career numbers. What about all the rest?

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07-02-2012, 12:17 PM
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if the Flyers reasoning for signing Leighton BEFORE July 1 was so they could have that extra 250-300k to spend/offer on Suter and Parise then that is pretty ****ing stupid.

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if the Flyers reasoning for signing Leighton BEFORE July 1 was so they could have that extra 250-300k to spend/offer on Suter and Parise then that is pretty ****ing stupid.
They signed him for $300K more than they needed to. But seriously, what's a salary cap and who cares about money.

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They signed him for $300K more than they needed to. But seriously, what's a salary cap and who cares about money.
well yeah there is that but I was comparing him to what some of the other backups got yesterday. I dont think its much to ask to spend money on a legit NHL backup. Leighton is a AHL goaltender.
If Bryzgalov goes down we have Leighton/Hovinen/Heeter as our 1-3. Those 3 probably dont even scare a good AHL team let alone a NHL club.
If you cant get a NHL backup via FA you make a trade. No need to sign a bum like Leighton 10 minutes after FA started and rumored to be agreed upon a day or 2 before. that is just mind boggling stupid. But then again we shouldnt be shocked anymore should we.

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Why did 29 teams pass on him at $775K? Surely, if Leighton was a legitimate backup, one of those teams would have snapped him up at a discount price. Simply put, not a single NHL team not based in Philadelphia thinks he is an NHL capable goalie. Not a single one.
More great proof. No one has ever cleared waivers before that was a backup goalie!

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None of us knows what Leighton's stats will be this year. Comparing another goalie on a comparable contract is a challenge because Leighton is overpaid at $900K.
Yes, no one knows, but I think career stats are a pretty good indicator. Certainly a better indicator than saying "HE STINKS!" over and over again.

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But for comparison purposes: (2011-12 stats and salary - goalies who started 35 games or fewer - i.e. real backups)

Montoya - Islanders - $600K - 31 games, 3.10 GAA, .893 SV%
Bobrovsky - Flyers - $900K - 29 games, 3.02 GAA, .899 SV%
Emery - Chicago - $600K - 34 games, 2.81 GAA, .900 SV%
Enroth - Buffalo - $625K - 26 games, 2.70 GAA, .917 SV%
Harding - Wild - $750K - 34 games, 2.62 GAA, .917 SV%
Clemmensen - FLA - $1.5M - 30 games, 2.57 GAA, .913 SV%
Giguere - COL - $1.25M - 32 games, 2.27 GAA, .919 SV%
Hedberg - Devils - $1.25M - 32 games, 2.23 GAA, .918 SV%
Schneider - VAN - $900K - 33 games, 1.96 GAA, .937 SV% *

*Schneider is getting a big raise and the starting job next season, so not a fair comparison.

Montoya had worse stats last year than Leighton's career numbers, at $300K less and with a crap team in front of him. Bob is comparable, however, he's far younger and has the potential to surpass Leighton's career numbers. What about all the rest?
Ok, so that is nine goalies.

Two of them had worse stats than Leighton's career numbers.

Emery is pretty much right on with his stats.

Schneider, as you pointed out, is a starter in a backup's role.

So that leaves five backups that had better numbers than Leighton's career line. Harding and Clemmenson are probably two of the best backups in the league and are borderline starters and I have said over and over again that Leighton is not the best backup in the league (they also make more than Leighton).

That leaves Enroth, Giguere, and Hedberg. Giguere is probably in the same category of Clemmenson and Harding, being that he is a borderline starter and if not, certainly one of the top backups (also making more). Again, never claimed Leighton was in that category.

Enroth is a young guy who will likely be a starter soon and is on an RFA deal. Which I have repeatedly said is the only way to really get a backup goalie that could be a starter at a deal like that.

So really you have Hedberg as your comparison and yes he put up better numbers. He is also paid more than Leighton.

You also left Biron off the list, who had the similar stats as Leighton's career line last season and who makes more (and plays on a much better defense and many on here wanted to sign him).

So what you just showed is that what I am saying is correct. 3/9 goalies you listed had stats like Leighton. The other six are probably the top six backups in the league and as I said in earlier post, I would prefer them at $900k over Leighton. But they won't accept $900k and their new contracts simply aren't worth it to play BACKUP.

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This is nightmarish. We now have the worst goaltending duo in the league.

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More great proof. No one has ever cleared waivers before that was a backup goalie!



Yes, no one knows, but I think career stats are a pretty good indicator. Certainly a better indicator than saying "HE STINKS!" over and over again.



Ok, so that is nine goalies.

Two of them had worse stats than Leighton's career numbers.

Emery is pretty much right on with his stats.

Schneider, as you pointed out, is a starter in a backup's role.

So that leaves five backups that had better numbers than Leighton's career line. Harding and Clemmenson are probably two of the best backups in the league and are borderline starters and I have said over and over again that Leighton is not the best backup in the league (they also make more than Leighton).

That leaves Enroth, Giguere, and Hedberg. Giguere is probably in the same category of Clemmenson and Harding, being that he is a borderline starter and if not, certainly one of the top backups (also making more). Again, never claimed Leighton was in that category.

Enroth is a young guy who will likely be a starter soon and is on an RFA deal. Which I have repeatedly said is the only way to really get a backup goalie that could be a starter at a deal like that.

So really you have Hedberg as your comparison and yes he put up better numbers. He is also paid more than Leighton.

You also left Biron off the list, who had the similar stats as Leighton's career line last season and who makes more (and plays on a much better defense and many on here wanted to sign him).

So what you just showed is that what I am saying is correct. 3/9 goalies you listed had stats like Leighton. The other six are probably the top six backups in the league and as I said in earlier post, I would prefer them at $900k over Leighton. But they won't accept $900k and their new contracts simply aren't worth it to play BACKUP.
You are talking about the AHL, right? I mean if anything Leighton would be described as an AHL goalie first. See:

2001-02 Norfolk Admirals AHL 52 2.14 .920 | Playoffs 4 2.02 .927
2002-03 Norfolk Admirals AHL 36 2.50 .912 | Playoffs 4 1.75 .931
Chicago Blackhawks NHL 8 2.82 .913 |
2003-04 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 35 2.99 .900 |
Norfolk Admirals AHL 18 1.83 .926 | Playoffs 4 0.57 .978
2004-05 Norfolk Admirals AHL 41 2.02 .921 |
2005-06 Rochester Americans AHL 40 3.21 .887 |
2006-07 Portland Pirates AHL 16 2.31 .910 |
Nashville Predators NHL 1 6.00 .800 |
Philadelphia Flyers NHL 4 3.70 .882 |
2007-08 Albany River Rats AHL 58 2.10 .931 | Playoffs 7 1.18 .968
Carolina Hurricanes NHL 3 2.66 .897 |
2008-09 Carolina Hurricanes NHL 19 2.92 .901 |
2009-10 Carolina Hurricanes NHL 7 4.29 .848 |
Philadelphia Flyers NHL 27 2.49 .918 | Playoffs 14 2.46 .916
2010-11 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 1 4.00 .889 | Playoffs 2 3.43 .862
Adirondack Phantoms AHL 30 2.22 .926 |
2011-12 Adirondack Phantoms AHL 56 2.58 .918

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You are talking about the AHL, right? I mean if anything Leighton would be described as an AHL goalie first. See:

2001-02 Norfolk Admirals AHL 52 2.14 .920 | Playoffs 4 2.02 .927
2002-03 Norfolk Admirals AHL 36 2.50 .912 | Playoffs 4 1.75 .931
Chicago Blackhawks NHL 8 2.82 .913 |
2003-04 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 35 2.99 .900 |
Norfolk Admirals AHL 18 1.83 .926 | Playoffs 4 0.57 .978
2004-05 Norfolk Admirals AHL 41 2.02 .921 |
2005-06 Rochester Americans AHL 40 3.21 .887 |
2006-07 Portland Pirates AHL 16 2.31 .910 |
Nashville Predators NHL 1 6.00 .800 |
Philadelphia Flyers NHL 4 3.70 .882 |
2007-08 Albany River Rats AHL 58 2.10 .931 | Playoffs 7 1.18 .968
Carolina Hurricanes NHL 3 2.66 .897 |
2008-09 Carolina Hurricanes NHL 19 2.92 .901 |
2009-10 Carolina Hurricanes NHL 7 4.29 .848 |
Philadelphia Flyers NHL 27 2.49 .918 | Playoffs 14 2.46 .916
2010-11 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 1 4.00 .889 | Playoffs 2 3.43 .862
Adirondack Phantoms AHL 30 2.22 .926 |
2011-12 Adirondack Phantoms AHL 56 2.58 .918
Michael Leighton's Career Line:

104 35 40 10 4 5696 280 4 2.95 .902

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Montoya - Islanders - $600K - 31 games, 3.10 GAA, .893 SV%
Bobrovsky - Flyers - $900K - 29 games, 3.02 GAA, .899 SV%
Emery - Chicago - $600K - 34 games, 2.81 GAA, .900 SV%

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Michael Leighton's Career Line:

104 35 40 10 4 5696 280 4 2.95 .902

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Montoya - Islanders - $600K - 31 games, 3.10 GAA, .893 SV%
Bobrovsky - Flyers - $900K - 29 games, 3.02 GAA, .899 SV%
Emery - Chicago - $600K - 34 games, 2.81 GAA, .900 SV%
EVERY team past on him on recall waivers ahead of the playoffs last year. EVERY team viewed that 775k for Leighton this past season was too much.

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EVERY team past on him on recall waivers ahead of the playoffs last year. EVERY team viewed that 775k for Leighton this past season was too much.
Oh they did? Crap. I guess he will not put up his career numbers then.

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Michael Leighton's Career Line:

104 35 40 10 4 5696 280 4 2.95 .902

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Montoya - Islanders - $600K - 31 games, 3.10 GAA, .893 SV%
Bobrovsky - Flyers - $900K - 29 games, 3.02 GAA, .899 SV%
Emery - Chicago - $600K - 34 games, 2.81 GAA, .900 SV%
Enroth - Buffalo - $625K - 26 games, 2.70 GAA, .917 SV%
Harding - Wild - $750K - 34 games, 2.62 GAA, .917 SV%

Both make less, are younger, and are FAR better. Both may eventually work themselves into a starting job - well beyond MFL's wildest dreams at this stage in his career.

There may have been better options out there - we'll never know BECAUSE HOMER DIDN'T BOTHER TO CHECK THE MARKET BEFORE SIGNING THIS PLUG.

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Oh they did? Crap. I guess he will not put up his career numbers then.
The point is that if no other team wanted him @ $775k, why would you spend that much more on him? There was obviously no competition for his services, so that should LOWER his price below the $775k he was available for, right?

So instead you paid him $900k without even trying to see what the market would bring about. That's what this is about.

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This is ridiculous:

A) He is already a known quantity by the staff. The coach likes him, and the GM likes him. And we can assume the player's like him (otherwise I would doubt he would be re-signed). The role of the backup goalie is to not be seen, and when seen, not be noticeably bad. Why bring in a random goalie who you don't really know when their role is to be an "anti-Bryz", quiet as possible.

B) At the worst, if there is an injury or Leighton performs poorly, there are always about 10 back-up goalies floating around all season long. A 7th pick here, a waiver here, and problem solved. I would say that 7th pick is worth less than having a known quantity in the locker room.

It's not like they gave him a nmc. He's as easy to remove and replace as they get.

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Meh, I'm fine with it.

It really doesn't even matter that much IMO because we're all in on Bryzgalov either way. It's just a pipe dream to think we could've had some surprise backup who would've played like a high quality starter if (when?) Bryzy starts playing like garbage.

We're living and dying on Bryz for at least the next couple seasons. Scary as hell, I know, but that's the life of a freaking Flyers fan and our never ending goalie drama.

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there are always about 10 back-up goalies floating around all season long.
I don't disagree -- but if that's the case, why would you sign a sub-par spare part for higher than the minimum before FA starts? If you're really not picky about backup goaltenders (which is clearly the case in Philadelphia), why not wait and see what the market price is? I guarantee there was no lineup for Leighton's services. If Homer had showed the slightest bit of patience, and if no better option presents itself, sign MFL in August for $300K less. At least you're paying low for crap.

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Enroth - Buffalo - $625K - 26 games, 2.70 GAA, .917 SV%
Harding - Wild - $750K - 34 games, 2.62 GAA, .917 SV%

Both make less, are younger, and are FAR better. Both may eventually work themselves into a starting job - well beyond MFL's wildest dreams at this stage in his career.
Harding is one of the top backups in the league and now makes $1.9 million. I don't think anyone, including myself, would put Leighton in the same category as him. Enroth is 24 and is on an RFA deal. Getting a guy like that in this market wasn't an option. Once again, I have never said that I think Leighton is the best backup in the world. But I have said, and will continue to say, that he will put up backup goalie numbers. I know there are backup goalies out there who will put up better ones. I would never argue otherwise. But the majority of backup goalies will put up numbers in the range that Leighton will put up, and we got Leighton for under $1 million. Harding would be great here if he were available for $900k. But for $1.9 million, he is not necessary. He is absolutely better than Leighton and I am not saying he isn't. But for $900k, I'll take a guy who will put up numbers that a backup goalie is going to put up.

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There may have been better options out there - we'll never know BECAUSE HOMER DIDN'T BOTHER TO CHECK THE MARKET BEFORE SIGNING THIS PLUG.
Lol. This is my favorite argument. Signing the guy you want early is a bad move for some reason? If they didn't want to sign him, then I get it. That makes no sense to sign a guy you don't want on your team. But if that is who they wanted to be backup, why would they wait? Even if there is no chance he signs elsewhere, what is the difference if he is the guy you want? I understand that YOU, a professional scout for HFBoards doesn't want him as the backup, but the lowly Flyers staff and management did, and they signed him.

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This is ridiculous:

A) He is already a known quantity by the staff. The coach likes him, and the GM likes him. And we can assume the player's like him (otherwise I would doubt he would be re-signed). The role of the backup goalie is to not be seen, and when seen, not be noticeably bad. Why bring in a random goalie who you don't really know when their role is to be an "anti-Bryz", quiet as possible.

B) At the worst, if there is an injury or Leighton performs poorly, there are always about 10 back-up goalies floating around all season long. A 7th pick here, a waiver here, and problem solved. I would say that 7th pick is worth less than having a known quantity in the locker room.

It's not like they gave him a nmc. He's as easy to remove and replace as they get.
Exactly. The guy is a backup goalie. Not the starter. And if Bryz goes down, 90% of the other backup options out there aren't going to fare much better than Leighton. Get over it, people!

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I don't disagree -- but if that's the case, why would you sign a sub-par spare part for higher than the minimum before FA starts? If you're really not picky about backup goaltenders (which is clearly the case in Philadelphia), why not wait and see what the market price is? I guarantee there was no lineup for Leighton's services. If Homer had showed the slightest bit of patience, and if no better option presents itself, sign MFL in August for $300K less. At least you're paying low for crap.
Leighton's biggest strength is that he is a known quantity. The coach likes him, the GM likes him, and I'm sure he gets along with the players (otherwise I doubt they would sign him). The role of the backup goalie is to not be seen. You don't want a "Bryz" personality as a backup, and we know we won't with Leighton.

The extra couple hundred k, and at worst the need to trade a 7th pick at some point, is worth less than having a known quantity in the lockeroom.

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Apparently we should all be thrilled that the Flyers signed an AHL goalie to an NHL contract (again), and that there is no safety net in the event Bryz plays the way he did last year.

We'd better hope Bryz wins the Vezina and Conn Smythe. He's going to have to, because God help the Flyers if he plays the way he did last year.

Holmgren has made some good moves, he's made some boneheaded ones - particularly as they relate to MFL. We can assume that Holmgren has a raging hard=on for Leighton. We already know Lavi likes him. We don't know that his teammates like him - personally, I wouldn't be a big fan of a guy who allows weak goals and then blames me for his crappy play.

Whatever. MFL is a Flyer. Yay.

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I'm guessing he meant to say he is a known "commodity" although I would say he is a known commode....

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The point is that if no other team wanted him @ $775k, why would you spend that much more on him? There was obviously no competition for his services, so that should LOWER his price below the $775k he was available for, right?

So instead you paid him $900k without even trying to see what the market would bring about. That's what this is about.
Leighton went through re-entry waivers twice IIRC, once early in the season and once at the very end. The time at the very has no relevance whatsoever as there were no games remaining in the regular season and his contract was expiring. The early one may have some relevance, but not much. Team's positions change from the season to free agency. Hell they change from the draft to free agency. The fact is you don't know that no one else wanted him or even what Leighton would have accepted if the Flyers truly were the only team interested.

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