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06-30-2012, 12:05 PM
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Dion is not a number 1 on a good team. I think that much has been proven in Calgary and Toronto.

He's fine as a 2-3.

Leafs are just short a Suter, Kopitar and Price from being a good team.

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06-30-2012, 01:02 PM
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Dion is not a number 1 on a good team. I think that much has been proven in Calgary and Toronto.

He's fine as a 2-3.

Leafs are just short a Suter, Kopitar and Price from being a good team.
That's a long way to go.

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06-30-2012, 01:21 PM
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Phaneuf is kind of like a 1.5 d-man. We don't need another number one, but we need another top-pairing D. Similar to the way Kaberle and McCabe were solid number one pairing d-men, our number 1 pairing could work with another solid guy up there.

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kris Letang? #1 Dman?

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Dion is not a number 1 on a good team. I think that much has been proven in Calgary and Toronto.

He's fine as a 2-3.

Leafs are just short a Suter, Kopitar and Price from being a good team.
just short eh?

Bobby mac just said nyr are out of the running for schultz

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06-30-2012, 01:28 PM
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That's a long way to go.
I agree. I don't like putting the when I'm being sarcastic.

In all seriousness, Phaneuf is a good player. Just too much expected from him in Toronto. He is a number 2 on most teams and is being asked to be a number 1 without a ton of support on his other side.

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06-30-2012, 09:09 PM
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You can try and label guys as a #1, #2, #3, whatever, but I think when it comes down to saying a player is "elite" it's about them not making significant mistakes during a game consistantly.

The true elite defencemen in the NHL put up a decent-to-great number of points AND they don't make that many crucial mistakes.

From a Leafs point of view Phaneuf is not an elite defenceman. He happens to be on the Leafs top pairing but he's not a real #1 type guy. Phaneuf is prone to mistakes, inconsistent play, lapses in judgment, and that's not what a #1 defenceman should be.

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You can try and label guys as a #1, #2, #3, whatever, but I think when it comes down to saying a player is "elite" it's about them not making significant mistakes during a game consistantly.

The true elite defencemen in the NHL put up a decent-to-great number of points AND they don't make that many crucial mistakes.

From a Leafs point of view Phaneuf is not an elite defenceman. He happens to be on the Leafs top pairing but he's not a real #1 type guy. Phaneuf is prone to mistakes, inconsistent play, lapses in judgment, and that's not what a #1 defenceman should be.
Phaneuf is a #1 guy on this team by design more than anything else. Ideally, I think Phaneuf is a #2 or even a second pairing. If this team was in a position to be able to slot him in for second pairing minutes, I'm sure we'd see the type of season from him that was expected when he was acquired.

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And the others that don’t have one:

Chicago, New York Rangers, Washington, San Jose, Vancouver, and Pittsburgh
all those teams you have listed have legit #1 defensemen


Rangers have 2,Staal and McDonagh and another who would be on the 1st pair on most teams,Girardi

Chicago has Seabrook and Keith

Caps Carlson and Green

San Jose Dan Boyle and Brent Burns

Vancouver has Edler

Pittsburgh has Letang


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Phaneuf a born leader.

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Some would say Kris Letang and Duncan Keith are #1 Dís Ė even though Phaneuf put up more points than both on a worse team.

And the others that donít have one:

Chicago



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As usual, many hilarious opinions about Phaneuf.

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07-01-2012, 03:11 AM
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Phaneuf isnt a #1 defenseman.he is a 1st pairing defensman on the right team and right situation.

its not a knock against him either,hes a fine player.
but being a #1 on a bad team doesnt make you a #1 on every other team.

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07-01-2012, 07:02 AM
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Hopefully, we just drafted our clear-cut #1 Superstar D in Morgan Rielly. He's got all the tools. He's the best skater in the draft year, bar none, he's got offensive skill to burn, and he's a dedicated player. Unfortunately, it'll take some years for us to find out for sure.

In the meantime, we don't have a #1 guy. Phaneuf is good but he's not close to controlling the flow of games ala Nik Lidstrom or Zdeno Chara.

Here's hoping Rielly can do it.

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Phaneuf isnt a #1 defenseman.he is a 1st pairing defensman on the right team and right situation.

its not a knock against him either,hes a fine player.
but being a #1 on a bad team doesnt make you a #1 on every other team.
no, but he is a top-30 defenseman in the NHL.

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07-01-2012, 10:34 PM
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I think Dan Girardi is close to a number 1, perhaps a little below or equal to Phaneuf who is also close if not a #1

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07-01-2012, 10:42 PM
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Leafs are fine on the blueline with Reilly, Gardiner and Phaneuf. May not be a true #1 in the group but could be very formidable down the line. Too bad the future isn't now but now isn't the concern. Liles is definitely a top 4 defencemen and if he slots as #4 on the depth chart, that's pretty good.

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07-02-2012, 01:51 PM
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Phaneuf is our #1 so you are right op. All Phaneuf needs to do is start contributing to the offense like he used to in Calgary. He just needs to work on his shot and he has potential to be our #1.

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07-02-2012, 01:58 PM
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Dion is not a number 1 on a good team. I think that much has been proven in Calgary and Toronto.

He's fine as a 2-3.

Leafs are just short a Suter, Kopitar and Price from being a good team.
The thing with Dion is as our Captain hes a terrible role model. AS a number 1 hes the biggest role model on the team. I've heard stories of him and Kipprusoff. It wasn't just the picture with them both doing some partying.

Now again this is alot of heresay but apparently Dion is/was a bit of a coke head, Kipprusoff was as well.

I really like how Dion plays but there is something rotten in the locker room in Toronto and I think Burke is doing a marvelous job of hushing it up.

Army and Schenn(well with Schenn he was rumored to be traded before) were gone out of the blue there might be something more to this.

We should look to another leader amogst the d-men in the lockerroom. Phaneuf is now the leader by default because he is our best defenseman.

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Leafs are fine on the blueline with Reilly, Gardiner and Phaneuf. May not be a true #1 in the group but could be very formidable down the line. Too bad the future isn't now but now isn't the concern. Liles is definitely a top 4 defencemen and if he slots as #4 on the depth chart, that's pretty good.

I think the leafs are probably near the top in league with depth in puck moving and offensively minded defenders. But are likley near the bottom of the league with defenders that play defence - i.e. shutdown defenders who can stop other team's top line. There is competence on phaneuf/gunnar line (even though many flippantly suggest other wise) but aside from this there is no depth here.

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