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07-02-2012, 06:06 PM
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what does it mean when he say Canucks in drivers seat on Luongo deal?
We are in control, which is totally true.

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I really can't answer your gut feeling, but I do know we have hardly any danglers on our roster, and Kadri does that..sometimes too much. I could see him ending up as anywhere between a 50-75 point top 6 forward.
That's because he's extremely talented. It's going to be something else when this guy finally gets a chance to prove hfboards wrong.

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We are in control, which is totally true.
I would hope so. Luongo is under contract to the Canucks after all.

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I don't think that's how salaries work.
Theo is paid 1.5M, Lu 6.7M.

Is Lu that much better than Theo?
If they are going to increase salary and trade assets to do it wouldnt they be better served to use that money and those assets to upgrade their top 6 where they really need help?

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07-02-2012, 06:09 PM
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Terrible.

Take out Raymond+Tanev for MacArthur+Franson which is a lateral move at best (more value from Leafs side, but more salary as well) and it's:

Kadri+Ashton

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Luongo.

Would rather keep Luongo.
Kadri likely becomes our top prospect (outside of Kassian) and Ashton gives us another "Schroeder-level prospect" (probably #3-4 in our pool).

Yeah Raymond/Tanev is pretty lateral. Tanev gets a better opportunity in Toronto than he would in Vancouver, and MacArthur would be a little bit better than Raymond.
So Tanev > Franson, MacArthur > Raymond

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what does it mean when he say Canucks in drivers seat on Luongo deal?
It means the Canucks are asking for too much and if they want a trade it's up to them to take less.

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Unlike Toronto we have decent players and dont need to look to the future too far.

#1 Center...check.
#2 Center...check.

Center Prospects....Schroeder and Gaunce...check.

Top 9 wingers...check.

Top 9 winger prospects...Kassian, Jensen, Rodin, Sweatt...check.


Where do you see Kadri, Ashton or Colborne breaking the door down?

Ya, we're not worried about our future enough to trade Luo for Toronto's questionable upgrades in prospects..
So when your GM makes the point of saying "We need to get younger", you think nothing of it?

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That's because he's extremely talented. It's going to be something else when this guy finally gets a chance to prove hfboards wrong.
A 2 minute break!

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07-02-2012, 06:11 PM
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A 2 minute break!
Some of these comments needed to be answered.

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Frattin
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Conditional 1st 2013

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How about...

Bozak + MacArthur + Lombardi

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imo the way kessel plays would not work with any top teams first line.

when will bad teams realize that the top teams in the league all have one major thing in common... puck possesion due to in zone cycling.

vancouver, detroit, pittsburg.. all puck possesion teams.

the north south capitals tampa days of zero structure are done.
Kessel was 6th in points last season and second among wingers despite being hurt the last 2 months of the season if you don't think he belongs on any good teams first line you are blinded by Leafs hate.

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Theo is paid 1.5M, Lu 6.7M.

Is Lu that much better than Theo?
If they are going to increase salary and trade assets to do it wouldnt they be better served to use that money and those assets to upgrade their top 6 where they really need help?
How would we quantify better in degrees of salary? Is 3x better letting in 1/3 the number of goals? Or is the difference between 85 pts and 96 pts?

Is anyone in the entire league that makes $6M really 4x better than Theo?

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what does it mean when he say Canucks in drivers seat on Luongo deal?
Tallon is being submissive to the domineering Gillis.

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It means the Canucks are asking for too much and if they want a trade it's up to them to take less.
It means the exact opposite. They are in the drivers seat meaning they have control. They don't have to trade him unless they find a deal that they like. Unlike the Pronger situation in edmonton where pronger demanded to be traded which forced Lowe to move him which resulted in other GM's knowing that he had to trade Pronger so they offered less. Lowe was not in the drivers seat.

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Kadri likely becomes our top prospect (outside of Kassian) and Ashton gives us another "Schroeder-level prospect" (probably #3-4 in our pool).

Yeah Raymond/Tanev is pretty lateral. Tanev gets a better opportunity in Toronto than he would in Vancouver, and MacArthur would be a little bit better than Raymond.
So Tanev > Franson, MacArthur > Raymond
Keep Raymond we don't need him. Waive him if you don't want him.
He would be 6th or 7th on our winger depth chart even after we traded Mac.

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Frattin
Kadri
Gunnarsson
Conditional 1st 2013

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Has Burke been fired and replaced by Milbury?

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Kadri likely becomes our top prospect (outside of Kassian) and Ashton gives us another "Schroeder-level prospect" (probably #3-4 in our pool).
So we lose a top goalie for prospects that won't make an impact til 2-3 years down the road?

Gillis wants to improve the roster. Young players on their ELCs not prospects.

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Some of these comments needed to be answered.
Nothing "needs" to be answered and you are fooling yourself if you think they do. I don't understand why you needed to tell everyone you were done. It's like telling someone you are going to ignore them.

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If you cheap out on the goaltending position you will fail. Just ask Brian Burke he knows all about that. The only time he ever won anything was when he was gifted a great starting goalie and back-up. You'd think he'd wake up and go get one of is own for the first time in his very long career.

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Kessel was 6th in points last season and second among wingers despite being hurt the last 2 months of the season if you don't think he belongs on any good teams first line you are blinded by Leafs hate.
he wouldn't have the puck on any good top line.

top lines don't rush in on the off wing side and shoot... rush in one the off wing side and shoot...again and again and again..

ask ovechkin how that's working out for him.

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Frattin
Kadri
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Luongo
Gunnarson doesn't help us unless we get rid of Ballard. Not really high on Frattin. Seems like a potential 2nd/3rd tweener to me.

I'd be satisfied with Kadri and 2013 1st with Lombardi.

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How would we quantify better in degrees of salary? Is 3x better letting in 1/3 the number of goals? Or is the difference between 85 pts and 96 pts?

Is anyone in the entire league that makes $6M really 4x better than Theo?
Florida is a team on a budget. They have limited places they can spend money. If they spend an extra 5.2M on Lu that money has to come out of a different area.
Are they a better team with Lu or with Theadore and that 5.2 spent somewhere else.

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