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07-02-2012, 06:47 PM
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In Howson's defense (and that being said, the man is mental...he is an absolute lunatic), he is trying to erase 4+ years of terrible management. Nash is really the ONLY trade chip he has and he needs to get as much for him as he can.
You're not going to fix years of terrible signings, drafting, and especially player development with one trade. They should have a firesale in Columbus. (Howson already fired his scouts) Trade Nash, Wiz, Umberger, Brassard. Trading those for young, but not great players, prospects, and some draft picks could go a long way. Trading a guy making 7.8 mil who didn't reach 60 points last season, and has a NTC, isn't going to fix your hockey team. Howson needs to wake up.

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Would not be surprised if ‪#CBJ‬ had Rick Nash talks with ‪#Sabres‬, per RDS report, as GM Scott Howson is willing to talk w all teams.


Can confirm, however, the ‪#Sabres‬ are not on Nash's approved list of teams to which he'd accept trade.


#CBJ‬ GM Scott Howson has talked w all clubs with the hope Nash and his agent, Joe Resnick, would expand the list. No sign of that happening



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Right, the NMC killed Howson's leverage. Eventually Nash will have to change his short list, add a couple of teams, or he can choose to rot in Columbus. Nash wanted the money and the NMC, he got what he wanted, money and the inability to change teams.

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Right, the NMC killed Howson's leverage. Eventually Nash will have to change his short list, add a couple of teams, or he can choose to rot in Columbus. Nash wanted the money and the NMC, he got what he wanted, money and the inability to change teams.
Basically its a mexican standoff and the key is going to be who budges first, Howson, Sather or Nash himself...

Unfortunately for Howson he is in the weakest position.

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In Howson's defense (and that being said, the man is mental...he is an absolute lunatic), he is trying to erase 4+ years of terrible management. Nash is really the ONLY trade chip he has and he needs to get as much for him as he can.
You are right about this being his only trade chip and he needs to rebuild the team.

I also believe that he is being offered roughly the same assets he would have received at the deadline (with the exception of maybe Kreider). Last March when the Rangers were in first Sather was not really in a position to mess up the chemistry of a first place team and trade assets. His legacy would have been that he ruined the Rangers SC run. He had to let the season play out to illustrate the weakness in the rangers game.

Therefore, other than some insults on this message board I'm not sure Howsen is any worse for wear. He probably did the best he could in an impossible situation.

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Its howson's fault for giving nash the NMC. That was hus mistake.
Yes, but I think the fact that Nash signed for 8/62.4 in Columbus and wanted the NMC to begin with suggests it wont be too difficult of a job to gloss things over.

The notion that Howson has reached the point of no return with Nash is way overblown as far as Im concerned.

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Yes, but I think the fact that Nash signed for 8/62.4 in Columbus and wanted the NMC to begin with suggests it wont be too difficult of a job to gloss things over.

The notion that Howson has reached the point of no return with Nash is way overblown as far as Im concerned.
One thing is for sure...they can get on the road to rebuilding a lot more quickly if they trade Nash as opposed to keeping him.

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I keep wondering why Sather hasn't done anything in FA besides sign Asham, when it hit me. He's just waiting for Howson to fold. I have a feeling it won't just be Nash coming our way.

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How much longer will Sather wait for Columbus to figure out what they want to do with Nash? Sather has been pursuing Nash since February.

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Just go all in on Semin, 3 or 4 year deal with a lower cap hit than Nash. Won't give up any assets for him, still have a good group developing at the lower levels. **** Nash and his circus, let him rot in Columbus.
+1. Exactly the same thinking here.

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Basically its a mexican standoff and the key is going to be who budges first, Howson, Sather or Nash himself...

Unfortunately for Howson he is in the weakest position.
Nash may blink first if you ask me. Neither GM wants to look like a fool, give up too much or receive relatively nothing. The prospect of playing in Columbus will get Nash to make some sort of concession, unless he really isn't that miserable and is content with playing there.

What RangerBoy posted is bang on.

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Sure what do we have to lose if we move on? Absolutely nothing.

What does Howson have to lose? His job. Sather needs to try other avenues I'm getting sick of this Rick Nash crap.

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How much longer will Sather wait for Columbus to figure out what they want to do with Nash? Sather has been pursuing Nash since February.
Well, I hope we dont move on to a Joe Johnson equivalent. One of the worst contracts in pro sports.

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Howson only leverage is telling Nash he doesn't like the offers and he is keeping him. What can Nash do? He is stuck there. That might get Nash to consider a couple of more teams.

IMO Nash goes to either San Jose or New York. Both teams look like they are waiting for Howson to lower his trade demands.

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Right, the NMC killed Howson's leverage. Eventually Nash will have to change his short list, add a couple of teams, or he can choose to rot in Columbus. Nash wanted the money and the NMC, he got what he wanted, money and the inability to change teams.
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Howson is an absolute clown, that is all. Hell, he even looks like one.

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I'm guessing Ryan's asking price is through the roof. Haven't heard any rumors on him in a while.

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Just go all in on Semin, 3 or 4 year deal with a lower cap hit than Nash. Won't give up any assets for him, still have a good group developing at the lower levels. **** Nash and his circus, let him rot in Columbus.
Also go with this. Call Howson and tell him that this is his last chance to negotiate a deal or he has a deal in place to sign another free agent.

Go with Semin to replace Gabby for a little bit and when healthy it adds lots of potential to our offense.

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I'm guessing Ryan's asking price is through the roof. Haven't heard any rumors on him in a while.
The rumor is they want a cheap center, from us that would be Stepan. They don't want Dubi or Arty. Sather said he's not trading him for anyone so that's the end of the discussions.

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I'm guessing Ryan's asking price is through the roof. Haven't heard any rumors on him in a while.
2nd line center, top 4 D-man, and a prospect, likely.

Most Ranger fans saying Anisimov (who is not a 2nd line center), Del Zotto (who is the last type of defenseman Anaheim needs), and a B/C level prospect.

That deal is not going anywhere without Stepan, and that'd be silly.

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You are right about this being his only trade chip and he needs to rebuild the team.

I also believe that he is being offered roughly the same assets he would have received at the deadline (with the exception of maybe Kreider). Last March when the Rangers were in first Sather was not really in a position to mess up the chemistry of a first place team and trade assets. His legacy would have been that he ruined the Rangers SC run. He had to let the season play out to illustrate the weakness in the rangers game.

Therefore, other than some insults on this message board I'm not sure Howsen is any worse for wear. He probably did the best he could in an impossible situation.
He was never offered Kreider...Brooks said that the last offer Sather made was Dubi, Erixon, Miller, Thomas and the 2012 #1. And, I'd be willing to bet that Sather doesn't come close to making that offer right now. The Rangers brass - most notably Clark and Gorton - were highly critical of Howson and his demands. I don't care what Howson thinks he should get; the historical market for a player of Nash's value would be Dubinsky or Anisimov/Erixon and a #1 pick or another prospect. Better players with less strings attached, such as Jagr, Blake, Thornton, Hossa, Pronger and Kovalchuk, have all been dealt for just about the equivalent of the return I described. The only leverage Howson has is that he can refuse to deal Nash. OTOH, Nash can determine where he wants to get traded, and so far, he and his agent have stuck to that program.

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Also go with this. Call Howson and tell him that this is his last chance to negotiate a deal or he has a deal in place to sign another free agent.

Go with Semin to replace Gabby for a little bit and when healthy it adds lots of potential to our offense.
What would be the benefit of letting Howson know that? Let him twist in the wind.

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I keep wondering why Sather hasn't done anything in FA besides sign Asham, when it hit me. He's just waiting for Howson to fold. I have a feeling it won't just be Nash coming our way.
Who did you want them to sign in free agency? They aren't going to do anything stupid.

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http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012...deepest-crop/2

The free agent market stinks. The CBA is expiring. Everyone is not as smart as the Calgary Flames to invest nearly $10M in Wideman and Hudler.

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Despite the lack of additional scoring depth on the wing and arguably the need for another stable top-four defenseman, General Manager George McPhee said Monday he doesn’t “expect to do anything” more in this shallow free agent market.

“It’s a very inflated market this summer. There aren’t very many players and there are a lot of teams pursuing the players,” McPhee said. “At some point you start inventing players, making them out to be better than they are and paying more than you should. It’s sometimes best to sit back and stay out of it.”
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Who did you want them to sign in free agency? They aren't going to do anything stupid.



http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012...deepest-crop/2

The free agent market stinks. The CBA is expiring. Everyone is not as smart as the Calgary Flames to invest nearly $10M in Wideman and Hudler.
Precisely. There may be some real steals available after a new CBA eventually forces capped out teams to bargain off some real assets. I have been saying this for some time. Patience...

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