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07-02-2012, 07:12 PM
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Roy got dealt for Ott and Pardy...........Rangers can find a similar deal around Dubinsky I would bet. Bring a LW back. I expect something like this instead of Nash

Semin also may be worth a risk

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07-02-2012, 07:16 PM
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I'm throwing this out there:

Cause frankly, what the hell else is there to talk about?

What would you guys be willing to part with if Howson agreed to pick up half of Nash's contract?

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07-02-2012, 07:17 PM
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There were rumors the other day that the Rangers were looking to trade for a top 4 RD. Anything else come of this?

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I'm throwing this out there:

Cause frankly, what the hell else is there to talk about?

What would you guys be willing to part with if Howson agreed to pick up half of Nash's contract?
dubi, del zotto, erixon/miller, 1st, 2nd

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07-02-2012, 07:18 PM
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I'm throwing this out there:

Cause frankly, what the hell else is there to talk about?

What would you guys be willing to part with if Howson agreed to pick up half of Nash's contract?
So, its better to talk about something that couldnt possibly happen?

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I'm throwing this out there:

Cause frankly, what the hell else is there to talk about?

What would you guys be willing to part with if Howson agreed to pick up half of Nash's contract?
That's not allowed in the current CBA.

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I'm throwing this out there:

Cause frankly, what the hell else is there to talk about?

What would you guys be willing to part with if Howson agreed to pick up half of Nash's contract?
Dubi, 1st, Thomas..but as mentioned, not allowed

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07-02-2012, 07:19 PM
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I'm throwing this out there:

Cause frankly, what the hell else is there to talk about?

What would you guys be willing to part with if Howson agreed to pick up half of Nash's contract?
1. can you even do that in NHL?

2. Dubinsky going the other way already does that pretty much.

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Dubi, 1st, Thomas
weren't you the one saying we need an impact scorer to be a legit contender? and thats your offer for Nash? not getting it done.

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07-02-2012, 07:21 PM
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1. can you even do that in NHL?

2. Dubinsky going the other way already does that pretty much.
Irregardless of that posters question, Dubinsky does have value. He isn't just a salary dump scrap.

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07-02-2012, 07:23 PM
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weren't you the one saying we need an impact scorer to be a legit contender? and thats your offer for Nash? not getting it done.
Yep, I'm feeling stingy at the moment...

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Irregardless of that posters question, Dubinsky does have value. He isn't just a salary dump scrap.
I never said Dubinsky didn't have ANY value, but he's not going to be the center piece IMO unless we add 2 more roster players. something like dubi, hag, del zotto for nash, but than del zotto IMO would be the biggest piece.

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07-02-2012, 07:25 PM
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I never said Dubinsky didn't have ANY value, but he's not going to be the center piece IMO unless we add 2 more roster players. something like dubi, hag, del zotto for nash, but than del zotto IMO would be the biggest piece.
cant really deal DZ as the D needs to be deep and to me he moves to RD if they cant find anyone. It may be a risk but if Sauer can come back then everything is dandy. Erixon can team with him on the 3rd pair

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Just because the UFA crop is weak doesn't mean there aren't players who can help the Rangers continue as a Cup contender.

There are still holes to fill.

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07-02-2012, 07:28 PM
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I never said Dubinsky didn't have ANY value, but he's not going to be the center piece IMO unless we add 2 more roster players. something like dubi, hag, del zotto for nash, but than del zotto IMO would be the biggest piece.
If your trading MDZ, I don't see Sather moving Hagelin too. Creating too many wholes. It'd tell Howsen to shove it if he proposed that. I'd rather run the risk of how well Semin would play under Torts then make a trade like that.

That many assets PLUS that cap hit doesn't mix. Be one step forward two steps back.

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07-02-2012, 07:30 PM
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weren't you the one saying we need an impact scorer to be a legit contender? and thats your offer for Nash? not getting it done.
My best offer regardless would be

Dubi, Erixon, Miller, 1st

But I'm also flexible, so we could talk about players like Hagelin, McILrath, Thomas, Anisimov.. There has to be something there to get a deal done. But somebody is choosing to delay the inevitable.

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At this point in time Redden and Drury would be the two roster players I'd like to send back. This is not just a joke either. $7.8 mil per for the next 6 years is a prohibitive cap hit--something that Howson and some Rangers/Bluejackets fans refuse to get. $7.8 mil per means Nash has to hit 40 goals per pretty much every one of those seasons to make the cap hit worthwhile and there are no guarantees on that. And no excuses apart from major injury.

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At this point in time Redden and Drury would be the two roster players I'd like to send back. This is not just a joke either. $7.8 mil per for the next 6 years is a prohibitive cap hit--something that Howson and some Rangers/Bluejackets fans refuse to get. $7.8 mil per means Nash has to hit 40 goals per pretty much every one of those seasons to make the cap hit worthwhile and there are no guarantees on that. And no excuses apart from major injury.
No one takes into account the fact that with Dubinsky going the other way (at 3M), Nash would only add about a little over 4M to the payroll over the next 3 years, and thats not even counting what else went the other way. Nash at 4M (added to the cap for the next 3 years) is a steal IMO. Don't just think about his cap hit, think about how much would be added to the payroll with the other assets going back, and its not very much.

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07-02-2012, 07:42 PM
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No one takes into account the fact that with Dubinsky going the other way (at 3M), Nash would only add about a little over 4M to the payroll over the next 3 years, and thats not even counting what else went the other way. Nash at 4M (added to the cap for the next 3 years) is a steal IMO.
Thats interesting math.

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No one takes into account the fact that with Dubinsky going the other way (at 3M), Nash would only add about a little over 4M to the payroll over the next 3 years, and thats not even counting what else went the other way. Nash at 4M (added to the cap for the next 3 years) is a steal IMO.
no one looks at it this way, they see 7.8 and flip out. I agree with you

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no one looks at it this way, they see 7.8 and flip out. I agree with you
Which after the 3 years Dubi is signed would be true, Over the next 3 years though it works out to adding about 4+m to the cap for a 30-40 goal scorer.

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no one looks at it this way, they see 7.8 and flip out. I agree with you
You have to replace Dubinsky.

Nash's contract and cap hit are debilitating. To try to frame it any other way is spin.

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You have to replace Dubinsky.

Nash's contract and cap hit are debilitating. To try to frame it any other way is spin.
Wouldn't Nash replace Dubinsky?

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You have to replace Dubinsky.

Nash's contract and cap hit are debilitating. To try to frame it any other way is spin.
Nash would be replacing Dubinsky...

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You have to replace Dubinsky.

Nash's contract and cap hit are debilitating. To try to frame it any other way is spin.
So now we are holding it up because we gotta replace Dubinsky? I'm sure that wouldn't be that difficult.. Also, if dubinsky were the top forward going back (lol not happening, just say for instance he was), Nash replaces dubinsky doesnt he?

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