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07-02-2012, 11:39 PM
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It's definitely gonna be Penner on the second line.

I guess that means Gagne will be on the third line and King on the fourth?

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07-02-2012, 11:43 PM
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King is the perfect 3LW for us and he definitely brought some life to the line with Stoll and Lewis.

There just isn't room for Gagne imo, unless someone gets injured.

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07-02-2012, 11:45 PM
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yea kings do have a log jam on the wing, richardson should have been traded like yesterday.
nolan gets sent down, penner and gagne battle for the 2LW loser gets 4th line.

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Gagne isn't an extra skater. He should be on the fourth line. I realize that isn't a great fit but he would add offensive skill and veteran leadership to that line and wouldn't have to play heavy minutes.

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It wasn't that long ago when our weakest position was our LW. But with Brownie making the switch and the development of King, yeah, we're definitely overloaded.

Brown
Pens
King
Clifford
Richie
Gagne

These guys could all start for an nhl team imo.

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07-03-2012, 12:34 AM
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It wasn't that long ago when our weakest position was our LW. But with Brownie making the switch and the development of King, yeah, we're definitely overloaded.

Brown
Pens
King
Clifford
Richie
Gagne

These guys could all start for an nhl team imo.
Williams
Carter
Lewis
Nolan

I would tinker with the thought of moving Brown back to his right wing position...

Gagne - Kopi - Brown
Penner - Richards - Carter
King - Stoll - Williams
Clifford - Fraser - Lewis

Gagne is too good to be on the 4th line if healthy, and I'm torn between Clifford and Nolan but given I'm not sure how Nolan would play on LW I would give the Clifford the edge. Lewis is just too good on the PK to take out.

If you keep Brown at LW I would think it could look like:

Brown - Kopi - Williams
Penner - Richards - Carter
Gagne - Stoll - Lewis
King - Fraser - Nolan

I think I like the look of option 2 slightly better.

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07-03-2012, 12:41 AM
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Williams
Carter
Lewis
Nolan

I would tinker with the thought of moving Brown back to his right wing position...

Gagne - Kopi - Brown
Penner - Richards - Carter
King - Stoll - Williams
Clifford - Fraser - Lewis

Gagne is too good to be on the 4th line if healthy, and I'm torn between Clifford and Nolan but given I'm not sure how Nolan would play on LW I would give the Clifford the edge. Lewis is just too good on the PK to take out.

If you keep Brown at LW I would think it could look like:

Brown - Kopi - Williams
Penner - Richards - Carter
Gagne - Stoll - Lewis
King - Fraser - Nolan

I think I like the look of option 2 slightly better.
No Terry stop it. That's the worst possible option LW Brown is day and night of a difference compared to RW brown.

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07-03-2012, 01:17 AM
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I know Brown is originally a RW but he played a lot better on the left side, and I hope the Kings keep him there. Sorry, but King moves down to the fourth line. Stolly can use Gagne's skill.

Brown-Kopitar-Williams

Penner-Richards-Carter

Gagne-Stoll-Lewis

King-Fraser-Nolan

Clifford/Richardson

Westy gets sent down?

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I don't see Penner and Gagne as interchangeable on the second line LW. When Penner's at his best, he brings his size which opens things up for Carter and MR. Gagne just doesn't have it. That's not to say SG/MR/JC wouldn't make a good line - they would. Just not optimal....again, long as Penner's bringing his A game.

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07-03-2012, 01:32 AM
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Stay the course. Keep Gagne on the 4th line. Move him accordingly if someone gets injured. Keeping him to limited play reduces his chances at another concussion and us losing him....

FOR-EV-ER.

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07-03-2012, 01:36 AM
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No Terry stop it. That's the worst possible option LW Brown is day and night of a difference compared to RW brown.
Sorry for throwing out a thought Dean.

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Stay the course. Keep Gagne on the 4th line. Move him accordingly if someone gets injured. Keeping him to limited play reduces his chances at another concussion and us losing him....

FOR-EV-ER.

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I know Brown is originally a RW but he played a lot better on the left side, and I hope the Kings keep him there. Sorry, but King moves down to the fourth line. Stolly can use Gagne's skill.

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Penner-Richards-Carter
Gagne-Stoll-Lewis
King-Fraser-Nolan
Clifford/Richardson

Westy gets sent down?
I am not 100% convinced that Gagne fits with the team going forward. Maybe it is because his presence in the team was during the time of our struggles, and when he was injured things started picking up. I am not blaming him for the problems, but there is an overlap in the time.

But, I am good with this to start the season. I think the only things up for debate are the LW2-LW3-LW4. I think Penner is a good fit with Richards and Carter. He can use his size and strength to dig out the puck. He is a better bit than Gagne. The whole personality of the team was about aggressive forechecking and hounding the puck. Not sure Gagne is the man to do that.

Maybe King and Gagne could be switched around. I could see Nolan setting up Gagne a few times, and vice versa.


... and it gives me serious headaches thinking about what things would look like if the Kings add Parise or Doan. Good lord, what a lineup. On paper :-)

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07-03-2012, 07:13 AM
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That's the worst possible option LW Brown is day and night of a difference compared to RW brown.
His career best year (33 goals, 27a) came when he was playing RW.

He's equally effective on both sides.

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The way I see it, Penner will still be with Richards and Carter. As much as I would like to see the Flyers west line, I think it is a lot less riskier for gagne's sake. He's been banged up pretty hard throughout his career and his leadership on the fourth line should be a God send. I do however see Gagne being involved in the PP.

Brown - Kopitar - Williams
Penner - Richards - Carter
King - Stoll - Lewis
Gagne - Fraser - Clifford/Nolan

PP Unit #1
Brown - Kopitar - Carter
Doughty - Richards

PP Unit #2
Gagne - Stoll - Williams
Amart - VV

Thoughts about the #2 PP Unit?

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The way I see it, Penner will still be with Richards and Carter. As much as I would like to see the Flyers west line, I think it is a lot less riskier for gagne's sake. He's been banged up pretty hard throughout his career and his leadership on the fourth line should be a God send. I do however see Gagne being involved in the PP.

Brown - Kopitar - Williams
Penner - Richards - Carter
King - Stoll - Lewis
Gagne - Fraser - Clifford/Nolan

PP Unit #1
Brown - Kopitar - Carter
Doughty - Richards

PP Unit #2
Gagne - Stoll - Williams
Amart - VV

Thoughts about the #2 PP Unit?
Gagne will not be on the 4th line.

In a fully healthy lineup, he will be with Stoll and Lewis or Richards and Carter.

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Gagne is not a throw away player. The 4th line in the last few games in the finals after 5 months out is one thing, the start of a new season is another. He's still being paid $3.5 million. If you have Gagne, you have to use Gagne. He's not going to be on a line centered by Fraser. Even a line centered by Stoll would be a maybe. To get the most out of Gagne, he has to be with Kopitar or Richards. If he gets hurt, then you deal with it then.

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Remember guys, injuries will happen, Williams didn't get injured at all last year, so id be amazed if he did the same this year.

Gagne will play on the 3rd anyway, as much as a like King, he isn't in Gagne's league. A 4th line of King-Fraser-Clifford/Nolan is sick, and would get plenty of ice time, it would also allow a Gagne-Stoll-Lewis line to be used mostly as a shutdown line freeing up the top 2 lines.

Its a nice problem to be in mind, Stanley Cup Champs who have to many quality players that we can't fit them all in

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Gagne is not a throw away player. The 4th line in the last few games in the finals after 5 months out is one thing, the start of a new season is another. He's still being paid $3.5 million. If you have Gagne, you have to use Gagne. He's not going to be on a line centered by Fraser. Even a line centered by Stoll would be a maybe. To get the most out of Gagne, he has to be with Kopitar or Richards. If he gets hurt, then you deal with it then.
I think Gagne could work well with Stoll and Lewis, they won't get as many tough assignments defensively like the Richards line will get. This should free up Gagne to use his speed and shot to improve the scoring on the third line.

This all depends on how hard Penner is willing to work in traning camp/pre-season to remain on the 2nd line.



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Remember guys, injuries will happen, Williams didn't get injured at all last year, so id be amazed if he did the same this year.

Gagne will play on the 3rd anyway, as much as a like King, he isn't in Gagne's league. A 4th line of King-Fraser-Clifford/Nolan is sick, and would get plenty of ice time, it would also allow a Gagne-Stoll-Lewis line to be used mostly as a shutdown line freeing up the top 2 lines.

Its a nice problem to be in mind, Stanley Cup Champs who have to many quality players that we can't fit them all in
I don't see any way that Sutter will not use Richards' line as the shutdown line. They will need to get most of their points on the PP. Not sure if we will see Richards on the point with the new assistant coach or not, but a healthy Kings team will have a lot of PP forwards available.

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I might be alone on this but the thought of a Gagne-Stoll-Lewis line and their speed Is a good one. Lewis does the dirty work along the boards, Gagne feeds Stoll onetimers all day, Stoll hits 20+ goals again.

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I might be alone on this but the thought of a Gagne-Stoll-Lewis line and their speed Is a good one. Lewis does the dirty work along the boards, Gagne feeds Stoll onetimers all day, Stoll hits 20+ goals again.
I would be happy with 35-40 goals from the third line next season. I don't think any of them will get to 20+ goals.

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I might be alone on this but the thought of a Gagne-Stoll-Lewis line and their speed Is a good one. Lewis does the dirty work along the boards, Gagne feeds Stoll onetimers all day, Stoll hits 20+ goals again.
can not compute

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I think the Kings could realistically hit 223 goals for next season, 2.72 per game. This will depend on the PP improving.

1st line: 70 goals
2nd line: 60 goals
3rd line: 35 goals
4th line: 15 goals

Defense: 43 goals

That should be enough to win the Pacific.

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If the Kings really are in on Jagr, Selanne and Doan, 1 forward is being dealt and one back to Manchester for sure.

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