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07-03-2012, 06:24 PM
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Staal, Girardi, Mcdonagh, Del Zotto, Bickel (7th guy) are all signed. I would assume from reports that Stralman will be back (or wants to at least), so that only leaves one spot for a Dman. Not to mention the likes of Erixon, Mcilrath coming soon.
"Coming soon" doesnt do it for me anymore. People were saying the same thing about Erixon and McIlrath last year. Erixon made a cameo but it was painfully obvious he needed to get stronger.

The team is officially a contender now, I'd be happy with a Stralman signing + another depth signing to sure up the D.

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Well, this is getting back to the whole summer argument.

We're talking about a drastic face lift to the team by removing 5 players (Dubinsky, Anisimov, Prust, Mitchell, Fedotenko) and bringing in 5 different ones (Nash, UFA, Pyatt, Asham, Haley/young player). It's a huge risk to put on a team that's biggest strength last season was it's chemistry.
I completely agree. But the way i look at it is this...Sather has been considering Nash for awhile. If we make the deal were gona lose two roster players right there. We already lost Prust and Mitchel. Good chance we see Feds go. So its not a scenario that has come out of nowhere, you know. By the same token as much as I love Prust and Feds they can be replaced. These guys are profressionals. They know they fell short in the playoffs. They have a great chance to go further. But they need to improve and it will be with new personnel unfortunately.

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"Coming soon" doesnt do it for me anymore. People were saying the same thing about Erixon and McIlrath last year. Erixon made a cameo but it was painfully obvious he needed to get stronger.

The team is officially a contender now, I'd be happy with a Stralman signing + another depth signing to sure up the D.
Yeah, but I'm saying a 6th dman is not really a concern for me. I think we'll be able to find one of those..

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I completely agree. But the way i look at it is this...Sather has been considering Nash for awhile. If we make the deal were gona lose two roster players right there. We already lost Prust and Mitchel. Good chance we see Feds go. So its not a scenario that has come out of nowhere, you know. By the same token as much as I love Prust and Feds they can be replaced. These guys are profressionals. They know they fell short in the playoffs. They have a great chance to go further. But they need to improve and it will be with new personnel unfortunately.
The only difference is that Dubinsky and Anisimov (or Hagelin, if you want to throw him in the mix) are both more important players to the team than Prust and Feds.

Honestly, I don't think Sather ups his offer to begin with.

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I completely agree. But the way i look at it is this...Sather has been considering Nash for awhile. If we make the deal were gona lose two roster players right there. We already lost Prust and Mitchel. Good chance we see Feds go. So its not a scenario that has come out of nowhere, you know. By the same token as much as I love Prust and Feds they can be replaced. These guys are profressionals. They know they fell short in the playoffs. They have a great chance to go further. But they need to improve and it will be with new personnel unfortunately.
If the two roster players are Dubinsky and Hagelin, you have to think long and hard about it.

I'd rather trade Anisimov, but I worry about the center depth. I think Richards/Stepan/Anisimov/Boyle would be fine.

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Yeah, but I'm saying a 6th dman is not really a concern for me. I think we'll be able to find one of those..
It is for me. Im not too keen on the idea of another season where Torts is forced to abuse the top 4 with minutes.

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The only difference is that Dubinsky and Anisimov (or Hagelin, if you want to throw him in the mix) are both more important players to the team than Prust and Feds.

Honestly, I don't think Sather ups his offer to begin with.
Well I really hope its not Hagelin. I'll be pissed. He adds a different dynamic. He cant be replaced in free agency imo.

I really believe Dubi and AA can be.

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Well I really hope its not Hagelin. I'll be pissed. He adds a different dynamic. He cant be replaced in free agency imo.

I really believe Dubi and AA can be.
my thoughts are Hagelin should be on the 3rd line and then lets say Dubinsky Centres that line, will Ansimov be ok on RW?

If they sign Semin I say keep Dubi and AA and that is a pretty nice 3rd line.

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If the two roster players are Dubinsky and Hagelin, you have to think long and hard about it.

I'd rather trade Anisimov, but I worry about the center depth. I think Richards/Stepan/Anisimov/Boyle would be fine.
I think we can find a 3C through trade. I know its a long shot but maybe Miller pushes his way on. Has Doan on his wing to mentor him

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my thoughts are Hagelin should be on the 3rd line and then lets say Dubinsky Centres that line, will Ansimov be ok on RW?

If they sign Semin I say keep Dubi and AA and that is a pretty nice 3rd line.
I'm okay with that as a secondary plan.

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"Coming soon" doesnt do it for me anymore. People were saying the same thing about Erixon and McIlrath last year. Erixon made a cameo but it was painfully obvious he needed to get stronger.

The team is officially a contender now, I'd be happy with a Stralman signing + another depth signing to sure up the D.
they very well could bring in a Dman but if they do and Sauer is healthy, yea big IF I know. But IF what then?

McD, Staal, Erixon
Girardi, DZ, Sauer, Stralman, Bickel

btw yes DZ on the Right side. Unless Sauer is healthy then give him the top 4 spot.

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Rupp/Asham-Boyle-Pyatt
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Staal, Girardi, Mcdonagh, Del Zotto, Bickel (7th guy) are all signed. I would assume from reports that Stralman will be back (or wants to at least), so that only leaves one spot for a Dman. Not to mention the likes of Erixon, Mcilrath coming soon.
There's still not enough depth there in case someone goes down with injury or Erixon needs more time in Hartford. They need to find a defenseman who is capable of logging around 14-15 minutes a game so we are not stuck with guys like Bickel playing 5 minutes a game in the playoffs.

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Sign Semin now! if he dont work we can trade him, he can fetch us something.

Trade Dubi for some nice thing


Semin - Richards - Gabby
Kreider - Stepan - Cally
Hags - Anisimov - ?/UFA
Asham/Rupp - Boyle - Pyatt
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I think we can find a 3C through trade. I know its a long shot but maybe Miller pushes his way on. Has Doan on his wing to mentor him
Ill be the first to admit its total guesswork on my part, but I think Hagelin played a bit over his head during the season. Hes very fast, and well-schooled, but I can see him settling in as a 3rd line winger...I think too many people are giving him the benefit of the doubt with top 6 upside, and I dont see it in the longterm.

I think Anisimov is soft and he frustrated me to no end, but a solid 2-way 3rd line center is more valuable than a similar winger.

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It would suck to lose Hagelin, but if it's what is needed to get Nash here for the next 6 years, you have to do it. Nash is a bonafide 1st liner. Hagelin will probably peak as a 2nd liner.

I doubt Hagelin is what is holding up any potential deal anyway.

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they very well could bring in a Dman but if they do and Sauer is healthy, yea big IF I know. But IF what then?

McD, Staal, Erixon
Girardi, DZ, Sauer, Stralman, Bickel

btw yes DZ on the Right side. Unless Sauer is healthy then give him the top 4 spot.
You pose that scenario as if its a problem. Its a problem I'd LOVE to have.

It also looks like an extraordinarily unlikely scenario.

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Well I really hope its not Hagelin. I'll be pissed. He adds a different dynamic. He cant be replaced in free agency imo.

I really believe Dubi and AA can be.
They can be replaced on paper. I have concerns that their replacement on the ice is going to be an improvement.

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Sign Semin now! if he dont work we can trade him, he can fetch us something.

Trade Dubi for some nice thing


Semin - Richards - Gabby
Kreider - Stepan - Cally
Hags - Anisimov - ?/UFA
Asham/Rupp - Boyle - Pyatt
Haely
I'd love to hear what people think the going rate for Semin is in this market.

Ill tell you right now, you're not going to get him on a 2 year deal.

Zach Parise and Ryan Suter are going to make more than $90M for crying out loud.

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By the way, I think we trade for Nash too. I just don't see two roster forwards going the other way.
I disagree...I think two of Dubinsky, AA or Hagelin are headed in the deal for Nash. Add in Thomas and a #1, and I think Howson finally caves. That's more than Shero got for Staal which most of the hockey media are starting to wake up and see should be the price for a player like Nash. Both players had a minimized market, and, while Nash is the better goal scorer, he has the higher cap hit and longer contract. Once Parise signs, and Howson sees that Sather isn't going to drop his price, and nobody else is going to give up the "pie-in-the-sky" deal he wants, and that Nash hasn't relented on the list of teams to which he'll accept a deal, the deal gets done. Dreger and Nash heckling Portzline on Twitter brought it home for me.

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They can be replaced on paper. I have concerns that their replacement on the ice is going to be an improvement.
Not being redundant would be a start, then we'll see about the improvement part.

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Ill be the first to admit its total guesswork on my part, but I think Hagelin played a bit over his head during the season. Hes very fast, and well-schooled, but I can see him settling in as a 3rd line winger...I think too many people are giving him the benefit of the doubt with top 6 upside, and I dont see it in the longterm.

I think Anisimov is soft and he frustrated me to no end, but a solid 2-way 3rd line center is more valuable than a similar winger.
I know people ***** about the cap hit, but, I'm more willing to part with Anisimov and Hagelin than Dubinsky in a deal for Nash.

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Here's a random thought:

If two roster forwards are really going the other way, maybe one of them is Boyle? The guy certainly shouldn't be a 3rd liner on our team, or any contending team, but he's definitely one in Columbus.

(I'm not advocating this, just a thought I'm throwing out there)

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Hagelin Richards Gaborik
Kreider Stepan Doan
Dubinsky Anisimov Callahan
Asham Boyle Pyatt

Would be nice.
Perfect scenario, sign me up - unfortunately I see way less than 50% chance that Doan is not with Phoenix next season. Who'd be your alternative to substitute for Doan?

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Parise is the worst FA ever. Didn't anyone explain to that kid how free agency works?

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