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Free Agent Frenzy: Foligno for Methot

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Methot it was a good trade 77 50.99%
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07-03-2012, 08:27 PM
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A team can always have too many good defensemen!
Or you can trade from a new found position of strength to shore up a position of weakness...

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07-03-2012, 08:37 PM
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When you're a #5 in 3/4 years, you were a #5.

It's a bit disingenuous to say he's been #5 in TOI 3/4 years so he must be a #5. He would have been #4 this year had Clb not traded for Johnson, who both took all his minutes (injured), and had more avg TOI in LA then Methot had in Columbus.

His TOI/gm for each of his last 3 seasons would have been good for 4th on the Sens this year as well and he has been steadily increasing every year.

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Phillips, Volchenkov, Regher & a bunch of other guys didn't play PP... they weren't 5th on their teams in ice time.
The career high in TOI/Gm for the guys you mentioned:
Phillips 22:29
Regehr 23:08
Volchenkov 21:17

With the exception of Regehr, it's not like that really dwarfs Methot's 20:03, and they each accomplished that being considered premiere shut down defencemen, so forgive me if I'm happy with someone a shade below that.

You may also want to consider that with Methot injured for significant time, Columbus was forced to rely more heavily on there other veteran defencemen, thus pushing their avg TOI up.

I'm sad to see Foligno go, but lets call a spade a spade, Methot is a promising defensive defenceman who has shown he can log big minutes against tough competition. Hopefully we can see his possession numbers improve on a team that prides itself on that type of game.

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07-03-2012, 08:53 PM
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Or you can trade from a new found position of strength to shore up a position of weakness...
Foligno will be their #3 LW behind Umberger and Prospal.

They recently acquired top 4 D-men Wisniewski, Johnson and Nikitin, all of which are better than Methot. Obviously they weren't satisfied with Méthot in the top 4.

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07-03-2012, 09:22 PM
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Phillips, Volchenkov, Regher & a bunch of other guys didn't play PP... they weren't 5th on their teams in ice time.



Damn, I thought this one might have been an easy one.

2000-01
Redden: 23
York: 30
Phillips: 22
Rachunek: 21

It's probably done, but would take more digging to find the teams that did.
Lowe and Coffey made it as 21yo & 19yo's... but I don't know if they were 1-2.
His TOI numbers are very similar to Volchenkov's when he was here.His ES is almost identical to Kuba's in 09-10 and 10-11 and he played more pk, the only difference is he doesn't play PP. He's not a five he's atleast a three that plays alot of pk (about 3mins a game) and according to his corsi numbers he plays the top guys on the other team. He's a good player.

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Foligno will be their #3 LW behind Umberger and Prospal.

They recently acquired top 4 D-men Wisniewski, Johnson and Nikitin, all of which are better than Methot. Obviously they weren't satisfied with Méthot in the top 4.
Nikitin wasn't a top 4 defensemen when he was acquired, he has since impressed. Nikitin is more or less locked in with Tyutin due to chemistry and language issues. Because of this, along with the acquisitions of Johnson and Murray, Howson felt he could trade what would be his #5 defenseman despite said player profiling higher for an upgrade somewhere else. It makes a ton of sense for them, as it does for us.

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07-03-2012, 09:50 PM
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Hate it.

Recognize the reason behind trading Foligno (though I wouldn't have) but I don't place value on Methot. He's a mediocre shut down defenseman with no offensive ability. He's a bad fit for everything but the bottom pairing and soaking up some PK time.

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