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07-03-2012, 07:31 PM
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Love the cap. Keep it.

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07-03-2012, 07:38 PM
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Life isnt fair, why should hockey be fair?
Yeah, why should we try to better ourselves? You know what, lets pass a law that makes it ilegal to help homeless people!

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Seeing the Maple Leafs replace their logo with "Fly Emirates" would be something...

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07-03-2012, 07:44 PM
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Yeah, why should we try to better ourselves? You know what, lets pass a law that makes it ilegal to help homeless people!
Yes, but people who help the homeless are doing it out of their own free will.....not because Gary Bettman said so.

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No, the cap really is best for growing the game. I can see it modified to allow some teams to go slightly over the cap and pay massive penalties, or make it an after personal income tax cap to allow teams like Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver and NY to spend more money.

Realistically though, the model we have is very good and I'm not really itching to change it.

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07-03-2012, 07:54 PM
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Yes, but people who help the homeless are doing it out of their own free will.....not because Gary Bettman said so.
Yeah because Gary Bettman speaks and everybody does what he says. They didnt have a vote or anything

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Should there be a salary cap and revenue sharing? Is it really fair to penalize some teams by placing a limit on how much they can spend? Should big market teams support other teams?
Yes.
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The league suffers when revenue streams determine success. For a league that needs growth, making it more focused and narrow would only undermine and prevent growth.

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Last time I checked there is no salary cap on scouting, player development and front office.
This one gets it.

This is where a smart ownership group spends if they want to build a winner.

High priced UFAs can't match good drafting and player development.

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07-03-2012, 08:31 PM
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I wouldn't eliminate the revenue sharing or salarycap but perhaps an addendum could be made to the CBA in which the cash rich teams can receive incentives for keeping the cash poor teams afloat.

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In addition, MLB has become more and more irrelevant in almost every market since the Yankees began trying to monopolize every player who hits the market. It's incredible that the league that could do no wrong for 100 years has been completely undone because a small handful of owners refuse to look out for anything except their own self-interests.

Cleveland and Cincinnati both have extremely long histories in baseball and passionate fans...the actual interest has plummeted since 2001, even in periods of playoff contention. More people focus on NFL offseason minicamps than on the actual MLB season.
So? More people care about the MLB Home Run Derby than the SCF. Trying to compare what the NFL does with the MLB doesn't mean it has anything to do with the NHL.

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07-03-2012, 10:02 PM
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In addition, MLB has become more and more irrelevant in almost every market since the Yankees began trying to monopolize every player who hits the market. It's incredible that the league that could do no wrong for 100 years has been completely undone because a small handful of owners refuse to look out for anything except their own self-interests.

Cleveland and Cincinnati both have extremely long histories in baseball and passionate fans...the actual interest has plummeted since 2001, even in periods of playoff contention. More people focus on NFL offseason minicamps than on the actual MLB season.
The Yankees? I havent been paying much attention to baseball recently, but wasnt it the Rangers who 'bought' Yu Darvish this past year? The Red Sox also seem to be in the 'buying' mode recently 'monopolizing' everyone they can get their hands on. A Gonzalez, J Lackey, etc. And what about 250M for Albert Pujols? I guess that was the Yanks too, right?

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07-03-2012, 10:17 PM
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As a Habfan, yeah maybe the greedy part of me wants to see the habs do whatever the hell they want, but realistically i know a cap is good for parity and the game. the thing is the cap is rising and the floor remains static....we may start to see a significant financial widening between the two that will create the haves and have nots many worry about

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07-03-2012, 10:21 PM
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I think the upcoming elimination of the collusion cap and a more player (and by default fan) friendly CBA will certainly be much better for the league. Teams should be able to spend what players would like them too.

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07-03-2012, 10:26 PM
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The last 9 Stanley Cups have gone to 9 different teams. Without a salary cap that's not possible. Cap = good for the game.
Is it a good thing to no longer have the dynasties we had in past decades? I'm not so sure the answer to that question is yes.

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07-03-2012, 10:29 PM
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I'm okay with the cap, but I really like the salary floor too. Lack of a salary floor is what's killing baseball in many cities. The Yankees have to pay out penalty payments (a form of revenue sharing) to smaller teams, but the owners aren't forced to spend that money, they can just pocket it and continue to field a sub-par product. Spending a lot of money doesn't guarantee a WS win, that's true, but the other side of the coin is that penny pinching teams like Pittsburgh don't manage a winning record in 19(!) years. I can't imagine rooting for a team of nearly two decades knowing that they have no chance of even a .500 record.

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As a Habfan, yeah maybe the greedy part of me wants to see the habs do whatever the hell they want, but realistically i know a cap is good for parity and the game. the thing is the cap is rising and the floor remains static....we may start to see a significant financial widening between the two that will create the haves and have nots many worry about
The salary floor rises in proportion with the salary cap, in fact the current floor is several million above what the cap was back in 2005 when the current CBA was put in place after the lockout.

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07-03-2012, 10:30 PM
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As an Avs fan who saw domination in the 90s, keep the salary cap.

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07-03-2012, 10:32 PM
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As a Habfan, yeah maybe the greedy part of me wants to see the habs do whatever the hell they want, but realistically i know a cap is good for parity and the game. the thing is the cap is rising and the floor remains static....we may start to see a significant financial widening between the two that will create the haves and have nots many worry about
I'm assuming this is a typo because as I see it, the floor has been increasing and is making it even harder on small market teams to show any profit.

Personally I have mixed feelings on the cap era of hockey, I'm all for the parity it creates, I'm also dead set against where it seems to be headed with an eventual cap ceiling over 100m/cap floor of 80m type situation.

Personally I've always thought a much better method would be having teams with a hard set cap structure that players are assigned a % of the cap never increases beyond a COL increase each year(approx 1.5% increase or something for inflation) and then based on how a team assigns it's player contracted %'s, players would then get a dividend check from the NHL for profit sharing.

Basically some sort of stock option or dividend payout structure for players to derive their share of the increasing revenue without having payrolls being forced on teams that can't afford the cap minimum.

I'm tired and it's been a long day so if that doesn't make sense, shoot my wife, please, seriously, shoot her.

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I like eliminating the salary cap almost as little as I liked the one suggestion on here about penalizing players for blocking shots.

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So? More people care about the MLB Home Run Derby than the SCF. Trying to compare what the NFL does with the MLB doesn't mean it has anything to do with the NHL.
The NFL and NBA have traditionally been run by forward-thinking men of power and influence who recognize the importance of a strong league from top-to-bottom.

The NHL and MLB have traditionally been run by nincompoops who think that having a strong top 10% of the league is all that matters, and if everyone else gets left in the dust, that's their problem. The NHL didn't begin to break free from this until Bettman came into office.

Therefore, it certainly is relevant to point out that the NFL has overtaken MLB in every way. It's a combination of the NFL's progressive nature, in addition to MLB's stubbornness, that have created this. The NHL is somewhere in between.

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The Yankees? I havent been paying much attention to baseball recently, but wasnt it the Rangers who 'bought' Yu Darvish this past year? The Red Sox also seem to be in the 'buying' mode recently 'monopolizing' everyone they can get their hands on. A Gonzalez, J Lackey, etc. And what about 250M for Albert Pujols? I guess that was the Yanks too, right?
Re-read what I said, which was "MLB has become more and more irrelevant in almost every market since the Yankees began trying to monopolize every player who hits the market". That goes back to the late-1990s. When the arms race began in MLB, with the Yankees handing out massive contracts to whoever they could, it triggered the second massive salary escalation, and has served to reduce half the league to little more than a fiefdom.

The NHL had exactly the same thing happen starting around 1995. Small-market team has a free agent? Sign him. He's restricted? Sign him to a massive front-loaded offer sheet; even if they match, they'll bankrupt themselves in the process.

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07-03-2012, 10:39 PM
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But, do we really want a 'competitive' league? Baseball has no cap and a different team seems to win the WS every year. Basketball, even though it has a cap, seems to have many teams that are 'haves' and 'havenots' and they do alright by themselves, they get better ratings than the NHL, people want to see Lebron and the super team, nobody has a problem with it.

When i think of 'parity' i dont really think of parity, i think of a watered down product. The Ducks had a great team in 2007 and havent won a cup since.....the Blackhawks had an extremely talented team too and were 'forced' to break up the following offseason and couldnt keep that exact team together for a repeat. Is that what we want? Do we just want musical teams where they 'take turns' winning cups?

Look at a team in the salary capless MLB named the Cubs. They NEVER win anything and the fans still pack the place, right? They still take off their shirts and sit in the bleachers drinking overpriced beer and having fun, its not like those fans are going to 'stay away' because the Cubs don't ever win and never really have any 'hope' of winning. The NHL has 'parity' with no cap, so how come the Blue Jackets always lose? Do fans in Columbus 'stay away' in droves because their team never really has any hope?

I think a capless sport is the best thing, a capless sport mimics real life....there are haves and havenots and nobody ever said anything has to be fair.
I don't think this is a particularly effective way of resource distribution in society at large, so why would it be an effective way of resource distribution in a smaller setting like a professional sports league?

There are stratifications and disparities in the NHL, they aren't manifested solely as inequalities of wealth, though, as exists in other leagues such as MLB. The best example of the relative equality of the NHL is Detroit. For a city hallowed out by deindustrialization and financialization, the Red Wings have found success through building a respected organization (by the players) that is effective at finding talent at low cost. Success on-ice has kept the market viable.

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This one gets it.

This is where a smart ownership group spends if they want to build a winner.

High priced UFAs can't match good drafting and player development.
That's not for argument, but the window of opportunity for a team that does a good job in drafting/developing players has gotten a lot smaller, with the UFA criteria applies to younger and younger players. Not to mention that the Stanley Cup format can feel like a crapshoot.

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Is it a good thing to no longer have the dynasties we had in past decades? I'm not so sure the answer to that question is yes.
I never understood this. Why do people want dynasties? It's boring when the same team wins it 4 years in a row.

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I don't think this is a particularly effective way of resource distribution in society at large, so why would it be an effective way of resource distribution in a smaller setting like a professional sports league?
Team A and Team B operate in the same league, and Team A has 10 times more fans than Team B. As a result, Team A's fans are willing to shell out a lot more money to support their team.

Why should the fans of Team A subsidize Team B's operations? What arguments would you present to them to agree to do such a thing?

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