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07-03-2012, 11:57 PM
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Talent: Nash > Semin
Contract: Semin > Nash

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07-03-2012, 11:58 PM
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Talent: Nash > Semin
Contract: Semin > Nash
Dude, in this market I wouldn't even know...

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07-04-2012, 12:01 AM
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Dude, in this market I wouldn't even know...
How much do you think he will get?

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Talent: Nash > Semin
Contract: Semin > Nash
Theoretical contract. If Parise is getting 8-9M in this market, Semin could easily make a case for 7. Some team eager to make a splash could go nuts and offer more.

If we're talking about Nash at 7.8 or Semin at 7 I would prefer Nash's contract.

However when you factor in assets I get how people could feel differently.

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07-04-2012, 12:03 AM
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Semin isn't exactly one dimensional, he can actually play good defense for a skill player. His problem is always keeping him engaged and working hard every game, not his overall ability to play a two way game

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07-04-2012, 12:05 AM
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Semin impressed me in the Bruins series. He was playing a good two way game. Against us, he was invisible, for a change.

So he's able to defend. It's just a matter of getting him to do it consistently. And he's not going to ruin the room. Otherwise, all this "chemistry" has been a lie.

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There's a good chance Semin turns into a Kamensky-style bust. People talk about Nash's decline, but Semin's is way worse, and Nash doesn't have the attitude/work ethic issues Semin comes with.

IMO both should be avoided. If he wants to sign a Hossa-esque one-year deal like Detroit did, I wouldnt mind. Certainly nothing more that 2 years.

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Would be great to sign Semin. hahaha Howson would be so sad.

I like Nash more than Semin in almost every way. But as someone else already pointed out, not giving up assets is a good thing. Bad thing is, the way this market is, how much do you think he'll want? Only thing that worries me at this point.
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07-04-2012, 12:08 AM
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With Semin it comes down to contract length. Two years would be ideal. The depth this team would have if they signed him and retained Dubinsky/Anisimov/Hagelin etc.

Depth was a problem for this team in the playoffs (Along w PP and scoring).

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There's a good chance Semin turns into a Kamensky-style bust. People talk about Nash's decline, but Semin's is way worse, and Nash doesn't have the attitude/work ethic issues Semin comes with.

IMO both should be avoided. If he wants to sign a Hossa-esque one-year deal like Detroit did, I wouldnt mind. Certainly nothing more that 2 years.
Nash's attitude/work ethic issues are hidden since he's a good ol' Canadian kid.

Please. A guy with his talent should be scoring an upwards of 80-90 pts. on his own.

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How much do you think he will get?
Honestly? Who knows. But Jagr got 4.5, PAP got 4+, Jokinen 4.5 I'm guessing Semin is in a slightly higher pay grade then they are. I would be absolutely blown away if he gets 5mil a year. I'm expecting 6. 6+?? So I think salary wise he's cheaper than Nash obviously but I feel like it would still be more than I would want to pay for Semin.

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Nash's attitude/work ethic issues are hidden since he's a good ol' Canadian kid.

Please. A guy with his talent should be scoring an upwards of 80-90 pts. on his own.
To be fair he has ZERO talent around him.

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Honestly? Who knows. But Jagr got 4.5, PAP got 4+, Jokinen 4.5 I'm guessing Semin is in a slightly higher pay grade then they are. I would be absolutely blown away if he gets 5mil a year. I'm expecting 6. 6+?? So I think salary wise he's cheaper than Nash obviously but I feel like it would still be more than I would want to pay for Semin.
true ... I still prefer Nash to everyone outside of Bobby Ryan (who I feel will cost an arm and a leg)

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It's all about assets. Depending on who we give for Nash, It could be a terrible trade for us or a steal for a guy with a high contract but loads of skill.

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To be fair he has ZERO talent around him.
I hate this excuse, it drives me nuts. Not specifically targeting you, you're a great poster, but he's had a lot of talent to work with. Gaborik had less talent to work with his entire career and HF has mob mentality on him. Same with Hemsky, another player who I'm a fan of, has produced near Nash's PPG for his career and is perceived as garbage player on HF.

If Nash's name was Marian Gaborik, what would his value be on HFBoards?

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true ... I still prefer Nash to everyone outside of Bobby Ryan (who I feel will cost an arm and a leg)
ahhhh Booby Ryan. Love him. But won't happen unless Murray magically thinks Duby or Ani can be their #2 Center.

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I hate this excuse, it drives me nuts. Not specifically targeting you, you're a great poster, but he's had a lot of talent to work with. Gaborik had less talent to work with his entire career and HF has mob mentality on him. Same with Hemsky, another player who I'm a fan of, has produced near Nash's PPG for his career and is perceived as garbage player on HF.

If Nash's name was Marian Gaborik, what would his value be on HFBoards?
Gaborik's value isn't what it normally would be for a guy who has scored 40+ goals in 2 of the last 3 seasons. His injury history is still a factor for many people. Hemsky is similar with the injuries, coming off a down year, and is not a goal scorer.

Nash? Doesn't have the injury history, but is coming off a poor season and has a bad contract. Regardless of the players he had around him, you don't trade for him based on what you think he will do with your team. You trade for him based on what he has done.

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To be fair he has ZERO talent around him.
True, but you could also argue that since he is on a ZERO talent team he should be able to put up solid numbers just due to garbage goals since opponents don't always play 100% for 60 minutes when they are beating up on crappy teams.

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Well, to start, Kreider, McDonagh and Stepan are not the only young, core players the Blueshirts are reluctant to trade.

Michael Del Zotto, 22, a restricted free agent who had a bounce-back year in his third NHL season, also falls into that category, just as he did when these teams failed to close a deal at the Feb. 27 trade deadline, the Daily News has learned.

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Of the remaining Ranger forwards, that would seem to point to speedy 23-year-old winger Carl Hagelin — who had 38 points in 64 games in his rookie season playing frequently on the Blueshirts’ top line — and possibly 19-year-old prospect J.T. Miller, the Blueshirts’ 2011 first-round pick who had 62 points (25 goals) in 61 games with the OHL’s Plymouth Whalers.
Hagelin, Dubinsky, Miller, 1st. Go.

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I'd do Hagelin in a deal for Nash.

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No thanks.
Damn, I was hoping it would be unanimous.

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n Wednesday's Daily News: Kreider, McDonagh, Stepan aren't only young guns that could hold up Nash deal #NYR *******.com/846aq44
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ho...sEnabled=false

Interesting article by Leonard essentially expanding upon Portzline's earlier tweet.

Seems like the asking price is coming down, at least from what it was at the deadline. If the article is to be believed, it's not Slats's reluctance to deal Kreider, McD or Stepan that's holding up the deal. Leonard implies it's not even MDZ - he speculates that it's Hagelin and/or Miller.

If we're down to those players, you have to believe a deal will get done. (And if Slats can get Nash without either of THOSE two, he truly is a magician.)

Then again, how much of this is real, how much is propaganda (and from whom) and how much is his speculation?

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I'd do Hagelin in a deal for Nash.
I wouldn't.

Just something about him. Think he will develop to be an elite role player on any team. Excellent hockey sense, feisty (or swagger as Torts like to say), and dat speed.

Very reluctant to let him go.

Still understand you need to give to get, but not Hags.

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You're telling me CARL HAGELIN is a dealbreaker in a trade for RICK NASH? are some of you guys high when you post here? Honestly?

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