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07-04-2012, 12:50 PM
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i really don't get the talk about people not seeing where Semin fits. the only winger he potentially can't beat out is Lando and they play different sides anyways.

he fits on the top line and he plays defense as well. he's the sniper we need on offense to open things up. we have play makers but not nearly enough lethal finishers.

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07-04-2012, 12:51 PM
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i don't think there's any way either signs for less than 6
Then screw it. Our team is pretty good as is all we need to do is trade for a top 4 dman and we'll be good

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When was the last time Wings made a big trade?

They seem content to sign the odd UFA and let their prospects stay in Grand Rapids until they are (over)ripe.

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With Wild getting Suter and Parise and the Nucks im not sure if Parenteau signing is gonna be enough to over come the NW division that got much tougher.

Avs really need a d-man. What is this team thinking? They think Zanon, O'Brien, O'Byrne, Hejda, Wilson are top pair d-men? If this guys gonna play top pair minutes than we might be in another long season.

Elliott and Barrie didn't exactly show that they are ready to step up to that #2 role. Come on Avs go out and at least get Carle to play with EJ. But it really seem to me that the Avs don't really care much about having a complete d core rather than they care more about having tons of offense.

Lot's of offense no defense is not gonna cut it.

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Get semin!!!! ;)

OMG...I can't believe I didn't put 2 and 2 before just now....

"This is not a great teammate," said McGuire, doing his best to make the situation sound as serious as possible. "I'll tell you that right now, not a good guy to have around your group unless you have unbelievably great leadership and rely on that. He's the ultimate coach killer, that's what he is."

SIGN HIM ASAP!!!!


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07-04-2012, 12:52 PM
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I was thinking along these lines when someone mentioned them going after Yandle. What exactly do they have to offer up that's going to get that kind of deal done? Keeping in mind that they have to outbid the other interested parties (which, in Yandle's case, would be many).
Fillpula fits Yotes needs.

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Colorado can choose to worry about defense in the future. Right now they have a group of solid defensive defensemen with one guy who has star potential. Not the best group ever, but teams have won the cup with worse.

If Colorado landed Alex Semin it would add so much depth and a new dimension to their offense. Going into the season with the same O'Reilly and Stastny lines but seeing Duchene flanked by PA and Semin would be awesome.

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6 games against Minnesota will be fun.

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Bender, that's joke's been done son.

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07-04-2012, 12:54 PM
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When was the last time Wings made a big trade?

They seem content to sign the odd UFA and let their prospects stay in Grand Rapids until they are (over)ripe.
Not in recent past, but they can't stand pat, they've lost 50% of their top 4 and added nothing, I could see them on the outside looking in if Zetterbeg has another sub-par season.

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Bender, that's joke's been done son.
it's still funny if it gets Sacco canned. not as good for the outlook of the team though. if he gets canned it means we sucked balls and i don't wanna suck balls this year.

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Fillpula fits Yotes needs.
He does, but he isn't near enough to return Yandle. Remember, Yandle doesn't have a NTC, which means he's available to any team willing to pony up enough to get him. The bidding for him would get pretty expensive.

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Leipold: "We're going to get a Winter Classic. We're an exciting team, a great market, good players. We're everything." #mnwild
I'm really starting to hate the Wild. What a dou**y comment.

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Leipold: "Thiswas discussed months & months ago going back to last season. This is a result of very smart hockey ops dept thinking longterm"
Yea great longterm thinking.

Last summers off season discussion:

Minnesota Hockey Ops: "Hey, Parise and Suter are gonna be UFA's next year, maybe we should try to sign them."

Leipold: "Genius!!!!"

Minnesota Hockey Ops: "We can throw giant ridiculous contracts at them!"

Leipold: "Oh my ****ing god!!! You guys are so ****ing smart!!! I can't believe no one else is considering that!! What amazing longterm thinking you guys have!!"

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I don't think it is a matter of simply spending more money. The Avs have started to spend more this offseason. I think the concern the Avs have is not committing to long deals that may hamper their ability to retain their core down the road (EJ, Duchene, O'Reilly, Landeskog, Varlamov).

Most UFAs want long term deals like Suter and Parise.
If I were a betting man, I'd put down a good sum that next CBA will have term limits anyway. League has to do somethin' about this cap circumventing, making term limits is the obvious way to do it.

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07-04-2012, 12:57 PM
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With Wild getting Suter and Parise and the Nucks im not sure if Parenteau signing is gonna be enough to over come the NW division that got much tougher.

Avs really need a d-man. What is this team thinking? They think Zanon, O'Brien, O'Byrne, Hejda, Wilson are top pair d-men? If this guys gonna play top pair minutes than we might be in another long season.

Elliott and Barrie didn't exactly show that they are ready to step up to that #2 role. Come on Avs go out and at least get Carle to play with EJ. But it really seem to me that the Avs don't really care much about having a complete d core rather than they care more about having tons of offense.

Lot's of offense no defense is not gonna cut it.
Count me in the group that isn't all that afraid of this Minnesota team. They have a few stars and the rest is an AHL quality team.

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i don't think there's any way either signs for less than 6
I could see Carle signing for less than 6, unless all he is worried about is $$$$. If that's the case, I would have to think the Avs are out. I could see them offering him a deal that is reasonably close to what Garrison signed for in Vancouver $4.5M to $5M per season for a 4-6 year term.

As for Semin, he made what $6.7M last year? I'm not sure what he's gonna sign for.

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I was thinking along these lines when someone mentioned them going after Yandle. What exactly do they have to offer up that's going to get that kind of deal done? Keeping in mind that they have to outbid the other interested parties (which, in Yandle's case, would be many).
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Fillpula fits Yotes needs.
Ivan is right. That's the guy that would likely be going the other way along with their best prospect Brendan Smith and maybe even more than that.

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Bender, that's joke's been done son.
Dammit...I'm slow!

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The Hawks need a no.2 center not Semin, no?

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Also was just told, "Detroit preparing what could be called 'the deal to beat' for Nash."

please, please, please let this be true.

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Count me in the group that isn't all that afraid of this Minnesota team. They have a few stars and the rest is an AHL quality team.
people are overrating and underating Minny all at the same time. They have a very good coach, which got them to first place in the NHL a few months into the season last year. Injuries hit and their best player was out for some time, so they slipped. They will be in the playoffs next year unless the same things happen, but by no means are they suddenly the best team in the west. I see them in the 4-5 range.

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Colorado can choose to worry about defense in the future. Right now they have a group of solid defensive defensemen with one guy who has star potential. Not the best group ever, but teams have won the cup with worse.

If Colorado landed Alex Semin it would add so much depth and a new dimension to their offense. Going into the season with the same O'Reilly and Stastny lines but seeing Duchene flanked by PA and Semin would be awesome.
And who does Hejduk play with then?

I am not opposed to adding Semin at the right price, but one of the other Avs forwards is going to get screwed.



It is REALLY hard to justify breaking up the O'Reilly line right now, both because of how well it worked last year AND because it gives you that line to match up against other teams top units.

Lando-O'Reilly-Downie


Then that leaves you with two lines looking for a winger.

Stastny-Jones
Duchene-PA


Hejduk did not just sign back for one more year to play on the 4th line, meaning he has to play in one of those two spots. IMO Hejduk has never had any real chemistry with Jones or Stastny, meaning he logically goes with Duchene and PA. The Stastny-Jones combo looked good with McGinn last year and could use the bit of sandpaper that he brings. Putting either Hejduk or Semin on the Stastny line removes that grit.

Presuming that you are OK with losing the grit/energy on the Stastny line, that leaves you with, in no particular order...

Lando-O'Reilly-Downie
Semin-Stastny-Jones
PA-Duchene-Hejduk
McGinn-Mitchell-McLeod


Now, that may seem great to get Kobasew off the roster, but I can't imagine McGinn would be happy and IMO its a waste of a talented forward who SHOULD be playing top 6 minutes.

That leaves the team possibly trading McGinn....maybe then you turn to the Yotes and offer some combo of McGinn + Barrie/Elliott + 1st + one of the lefty D for Yandle.....

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I'm really starting to hate the Wild. What a dou**y comment.



Yea great longterm thinking.

Last summers off season discussion:

Minnesota Hockey Ops: "Hey, Parise and Suter are gonna be UFA's next year, maybe we should try to sign them."

Leipold: "Genius!!!!"

Minnesota Hockey Ops: "We can throw giant ridiculous contracts at them!"

Leipold: "Oh my ****ing god!!! You guys are so ****ing smart!!! I can't believe no one else is considering that!! What amazing longterm thinking you guys have!!"
they signed em so they can say what they want to pump up their front office. teams cleared cap to chase them but Minnesota had the balls enough to sign both to crazy deals.

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please, please, please let this be true.
Yes, let Detroit rip their team apart for a 60-70 point Nash.

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And who does Hejduk play with then?

I am not opposed to adding Semin at the right price, but one of the other Avs forwards is going to get screwed.



It is REALLY hard to justify breaking up the O'Reilly line right now, both because of how well it worked last year AND because it gives you that line to match up against other teams top units.

Lando-O'Reilly-Downie


Then that leaves you with two lines looking for a winger.

Stastny-Jones
Duchene-PA


Hejduk did not just sign back for one more year to play on the 4th line, meaning he has to play in one of those two spots. IMO Hejduk has never had any real chemistry with Jones or Stastny, meaning he logically goes with Duchene and PA. The Stastny-Jones combo looked good with McGinn last year and could use the bit of sandpaper that he brings. Putting either Hejduk or Semin on the Stastny line removes that grit.

Presuming that you are OK with losing the grit/energy on the Stastny line, that leaves you with, in no particular order...

Lando-O'Reilly-Downie
Semin-Stastny-Jones
PA-Duchene-Hejduk
McGinn-Mitchell-McLeod


Now, that may seem great to get Kobasew off the roster, but I can't imagine McGinn would be happy and IMO its a waste of a talented forward who SHOULD be playing top 6 minutes.

That leaves the team possibly trading McGinn.

Just because it's Hejduk does it mean he automatically deserve a top line roster spot. Especially the way he played down the stretch.

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Bender, that's joke's been done son.
Sacrificing a year to get corch sucko to be shown the door is something I'm willing to accept even though its painful to see the team suck. Nothing can be worse than the meltdown of the 2nd half of the 2010-2011 season.

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