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07-04-2012, 02:09 PM
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I dont think there's any chance of Couturier moving.

As for the Schenns, I highly doubt it. Luke hasnt even played a game for us-- there is absolutely no way he would be traded this summer.


So that leaves us with our next most valuable pieces. Voracek and Coburn.

Honestly, I think that's a better deal for NSH than Couturier+Meszaros anyway. They cant afford to gamble on Couturier. Voracek reasonably projects to be a 60+ point player. Couturier could be, or he could just be the next David Legwand. Nashville shouldnt be making deals for Weber based on a player like Couturier, imo.
Yeah, I supposed Voracek + Coburn + could work for Nashville--though I think it is a much, much worse idea for us.

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07-04-2012, 02:11 PM
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Hobbit, strait up trade..
oh! I think I could live with that. But doesn't he have a no trade clause?

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07-04-2012, 02:12 PM
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I think right now Weber's best chance to get an insane 12 or 13 year deal is with Nashville due to the uncertainty of the CBA unless he just wants out.

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07-04-2012, 02:15 PM
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Hobbit, strait up trade..
You might, might be able to get Enstrom for Briere straight up, if he agreed to waive, but probably not.

Weber will go for young, high-end players and futures, not a 34-year old one-way center.

(and, as mentioned, he has a NMC).

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07-04-2012, 02:17 PM
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He's as close as he gets. Weber is going to be 27. Pronger was 35. Pay up.
Yup, he's Pronger at an earlier age than Pronger was when we got him. I'm not sure how I feel about this. We have a lot of holes and a lot of promising young guys and giving them up opens more holes. And we still have Bryz for 8 years. I'm not sure Weber is the missing piece, especially considering what we'll have to give up.

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07-04-2012, 02:24 PM
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Voracek + Coburn + 2 firsts would be my proposal

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07-04-2012, 02:26 PM
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I don't think a trade for Weber is in the cards, the conversation starts with Couts and B. Schenn, by all means I would love Weber here but the Preds need forwards and a roster D going back, Coby+Voracek+picks might work, I mean the Flyers and Preds have a really good track record trading with each other so you never know how it's going to pan out

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07-04-2012, 02:26 PM
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Simply put, Philadelphia does not get Weber without it being Schenn/Couturier +. Yes, you'd, at a minimum, have to have some assurance that Weber would sign in Philadelphia for longterm or get a window to re-sign.

Any offer that doesn't include Schenn or Couturier is embarassing... and makes us look like the Toronto Maple Leafs fans imo.

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07-04-2012, 02:30 PM
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All of these proposals for weber anger me. He hits the open market next year. Why sell half your future for 1 year of guaranteed service since e can choose to hit the open market next year. The price to pay at te deadline will be lower so I'd try then. Any trade involving coburn negates anything we are trying to accomplish. Trading schenn coots+ for any one player is absurd.

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07-04-2012, 02:33 PM
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Simply put, Philadelphia does not get Weber without it being Schenn/Couturier +. Yes, you'd, at a minimum, have to have some assurance that Weber would sign in Philadelphia for longterm or get a window to re-sign.

Any offer that doesn't include Schenn or Couturier is embarassing... and makes us look like the Toronto Maple Leafs fans imo.
This unfortunately. One of Schenn or Coots is gonna have to go the other way.

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07-04-2012, 02:43 PM
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All of these proposals for weber anger me. He hits the open market next year. Why sell half your future for 1 year of guaranteed service since e can choose to hit the open market next year. The price to pay at te deadline will be lower so I'd try then. Any trade involving coburn negates anything we are trying to accomplish. Trading schenn coots+ for any one player is absurd.
Getting Weber earlier would almost certainly mean we're resigning him. We have a track record of it.

Including Coburn doesn't negate any positive about getting Weber, Weber is a better player. I'd hate to loose Coburn, but he won't be a dealbreaker.

So you wouldn't trade Schenn or Couturier for Doughty, Stamkos or Crosby? Right.

The Flyers won't be the only team bidding on Weber if he becomes available. Any deal starts with one of Couturier or B. Schenn. Look around the league and guess what other teams actually could offer.

Might sound crazy but Giroux for Weber straight up would benefit both teams the most imo. Nashville wouldn't take it because they'd have a hard time resigning Claude.

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07-04-2012, 02:48 PM
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Getting Weber earlier would almost certainly mean we're resigning him. We have a track record of it.

Including Coburn doesn't negate any positive about getting Weber, Weber is a better player. I'd hate to loose Coburn, but he won't be a dealbreaker.

So you wouldn't trade Schenn or Couturier for Doughty, Stamkos or Crosby? Right.

The Flyers won't be the only team bidding on Weber if he becomes available. Any deal starts with one of Couturier or B. Schenn. Look around the league and guess what other teams actually could offer.

Might sound crazy but Giroux for Weber straight up would benefit both teams the most imo. Nashville wouldn't take it because they'd have a hard time resigning Claude.
1. Heck no.

2. Nashville laughs and takes it. Giroux is a bargain for two more years, then RFA. Three years of Giroux @3.75 >>> 1 year of Weber @ 7.5

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07-04-2012, 02:49 PM
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Might sound crazy but Giroux for Weber straight up would benefit both teams the most imo. Nashville wouldn't take it because they'd have a hard time resigning Claude.
In what world? The Flyers would have one player who scored more than 49 points last season. And I have a hard time seeing Hartnell reach 50 without Giroux.

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07-04-2012, 02:54 PM
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Those suggesting that we wait till next year also need to remember that there are very likely going to be provisions which limit the ability of cap teams to offer longer deals to reduce the cap hits of premiere players. There are a ton of advantages right now for a cap team and a player atm.

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In what world? The Flyers would have one player who scored more than 49 points last season. And I have a hard time seeing Hartnell reach 50 without Giroux.
True.
But from an organizational standpoint we wouldn't loose all of our depth for Weber. Briere-Schenn-Couturier could still be decent down the middle.
I also wouldn't do it. Might have been a stupid thing to say.

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07-04-2012, 02:59 PM
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True.
But from an organizational standpoint we wouldn't loose all of our depth for Weber. Briere-Schenn-Couturier could still be decent down the middle.
I also wouldn't do it. Might have been a stupid thing to say.
No it wouldn't. Schenn and Couturier are developing and Briere is declining.

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07-04-2012, 03:29 PM
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Getting Weber earlier would almost certainly mean we're resigning him. We have a track record of it.

Including Coburn doesn't negate any positive about getting Weber, Weber is a better player. I'd hate to loose Coburn, but he won't be a dealbreaker.

So you wouldn't trade Schenn or Couturier for Doughty, Stamkos or Crosby? Right.

The Flyers won't be the only team bidding on Weber if he becomes available. Any deal starts with one of Couturier or B. Schenn. Look around the league and guess what other teams actually could offer.

Might sound crazy but Giroux for Weber straight up would benefit both teams the most imo. Nashville wouldn't take it because they'd have a hard time resigning Claude.
To trade for Crosby Stamkos or doughty it cost schenn coots+. Not worth it. Ok. Put Stamkos on a line with giroux if you wind up with no talent behind that you lose. Period. And that's trading for the best player in the league. Id rather have a core of guys through out the line up that contribute all over the ice than have a few superstars. Especially one we can get for nothing if we wait. Who says weber doesn't decided to stay. It's not worth it. If the value is there its there. But trading schenn and coots is just dumb. Resign Voracek, fill holes through FA and make a run at weber next July should he be available. Or Enstrom. I'd rather see what Luke Schenn has and what Voracek can bring I Girouxs wing before I trade half the damn team for one of Ryan Nash or Weber. They aren't that badly needed yet. I'd like to see how the assets we got for 2 guys that just won a cup do before we ship em all off for 1 guy a year later.

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07-04-2012, 03:50 PM
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For whatever it's worth, my proposal of B. Schenn + L. Schenn + 2013 1st has been met with at least tentative acceptance on the Nashville boards. Couturier also of great interest.

(One poster pointed out that getting the two brothers would perhaps make it more likely that they can keep them around--which is both true, and a little depressing for them. Tough time to be a Predators fan, I think).

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Voracek + Coburn + 2 firsts would be my proposal
That'd be a quick hang up from Nashville.

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That'd be a quick hang up from Nashville.
You think so?

I think they would counter with Couturier + Coburn +, but it's hardly an insulting offer.

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Yup, he's Pronger at an earlier age than Pronger was when we got him. I'm not sure how I feel about this. We have a lot of holes and a lot of promising young guys and giving them up opens more holes. And we still have Bryz for 8 years. I'm not sure Weber is the missing piece, especially considering what we'll have to give up.
Lol?

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That'd be a quick hang up from Nashville.
If they hung up on that, then they can lose him at FA. The overvaluing of players is insane.

You don't trade a quantity of proven assets for star players. It just doesn't happen in the NHL. It's far to costly and it's downright stupid.

Futures are fine, you never know what you are giving up. 1st round draft picks are fine and dandy, but the other team at least has to know how to use them. You never see the player, your not trading salary ect.

You don't trade a top pairing defenseman with a top line winger along with futures for a defenseman. It's idiotic.

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If they hung up on that, then they can lose him at FA. The overvaluing of players is insane.

You don't trade a quantity of proven assets for star players. It just doesn't happen in the NHL. It's far to costly and it's downright stupid.

Futures are fine, you never know what you are giving up. 1st round draft picks are fine and dandy, but the other team at least has to know how to use them. You never see the player, your not trading salary ect.

You don't trade a top pairing defenseman with a top line winger along with futures for a. defenseman. It's idiotic.
This. If that's not enough WE hang up. Why give all those assets up when we get a free shot next july and can PAY A ****TON

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Harts + Colburn + picks for the WWE star.

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Weber would never sign it, and if he did, Nashville would match.
What if it were 12 years, $100 million, with a front-load of like $12-13 million for a few seasons? Would Nashville match that?


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