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07-04-2012, 03:03 PM
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How surprising.

A leafs fan is putting down Stastny after a laughable offer gets rejected. Really did not see that coming.

Newsflash: The only way you get Getzlaf is via UFA. And I don't see that happening.

You do not even have the assets to get Stastny.

How on earth can you believe you can make a reasonable offer for Getzlaf?
Leaf fans yelled at me the last time I said that.

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07-04-2012, 03:15 PM
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Just because the Avs have two other good centers does not mean they want to get rid of Stastny. Proposals like these would work if they wanted to dump him, or if he was about to hit UFA and wouldn't re-sign. But the reality is that Colorado is happy to have Paul, and have no desire to move him at all.

That means that any offer would have to pry him away, not just match what he is worth. (not that this proposal even did that much)

Avs fans keep saying they could use a top pairing D, and a scoring winger. So players like Gunnarsson, Phaneuf and Kessel, JVR would be of interest. Not Franson, Holzer or MacArthur, Kadri.

I can't see a deal that would be of interest to the Avalanche that wouldn't gut a core piece from Toronto. So there probably isn't a deal to be made here. But for S's and G's, what forwards interest Avs fans aside from Kessel? And are you guys thin for prospects at any positions?


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07-04-2012, 03:16 PM
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Leaf fans yelled at me the last time I said that.
Avs are not going to trade Stastny for something just because that's his value, a trade has to fill a need for both teams. Avs' needs are a top 6 proven sniper(Kessel) or a proven top pairing defenseman, which the Leafs lack. Gardiner has potential but he sure as hell isn't proven.

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bad deal for the avs

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07-04-2012, 03:17 PM
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Good luck finding that...6.4, 230 Ib centers who can put up around 90 points either A) Don't exist or B) Will cost a kings ransom, even if their team would even consider moving them.
It'd actually cost less than Stastny in terms of assets, I think. Trade for David Jones (Dartmouth), George Parros (Princeton), and Douglas Murray (Cornell). Jones could be had for a first. The last time Parros was traded, he fetched a second (though I doubt Burke would be that stupid. Ahem). Douglas Murray for Grabovski. Then they take their genius group of players and have them work on time travel and human cloning technology, then go back to get a sample of Eric Lindros' DNA to bring back. Win-win-win-win.

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Not even close. Avalanche get robbed.

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07-04-2012, 03:41 PM
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That is not a lot that is a joke.

we dont need your depth players.

If you don't want to give up one of Gardiner, Kessel or Reilly you should stop proposing trades for Stastny....
I dunno. From a Rangers fan POV looking at it through leafs eyes, I wouldn't trade Kessel for Stastny straight up. Thats taking it a bit far. Gardiner would be the more likely, although I dunno if I even make that deal if I am the leafs. Stastny has had two very pedestrian years for as much as he is paid.

Curios though... what would it take from the Rangers? And don't say Stepan because he had 2 less than points than Stastny at about 1/8th of the contract.

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07-04-2012, 03:43 PM
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I dunno. From a Rangers fan POV looking at it through leafs eyes, I wouldn't trade Kessel for Stastny straight up. Thats taking it a bit far. Gardiner would be the more likely, although I dunno if I even make that deal if I am the leafs. Stastny has had two very pedestrian years for as much as he is paid.
No one said Stastny is worth Kessel, the Avs would add for that obviously. The point is if Leafs fans don't want to give up quality pieces they won't be getting Stastny.

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07-04-2012, 03:44 PM
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When was the last time the Avs traded for depth instead of quality player or hockey trades?

Quincey for Downie was a hockey trade
McGinn for Galiardi+Winnik was an upgrade
Johnson for Shattenkirk+Stewart was to trade for a #1 D
Draft picks for Varlamov is an upgrade.

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No one said Stastny is worth Kessel, the Avs would add for that obviously. The point is if Leafs fans don't want to give up quality pieces they won't be getting Stastny.
Well he didn't make that clear at all. It sounds just as ridiculous as what the OP proposed.

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No way Avs do this.

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I dunno. From a Rangers fan POV looking at it through leafs eyes, I wouldn't trade Kessel for Stastny straight up. Thats taking it a bit far. Gardiner would be the more likely, although I dunno if I even make that deal if I am the leafs. Stastny has had two very pedestrian years for as much as he is paid.
I never said it would be fair value or that the Leafs should do that.

I just listed the pieces who would be of interest for the Avs.

It is not like we want to trade Stastny to TOR. In fact they are one of the worst trading partners for us.

I would not to Gardiner straight up. Stastny could fetch more than him. If not we should not trade him.

And he really was not as good the last 2 years. But if he were he would be on the level of Kopitar and maybe Getzlaf and therefore not attainable at all.

Part of his decline can be attributed to the revolving door of AHL wingers he was paired with. He should be better this year.

EDIT: Oh and Stepan would not nearly be enough.

I mean everyone wants to trade for Stastny the #1 C. But noone wants to give up value.

And everyone brings up his last 2 years to bring down his value while secretely believing that he can back to his PPG self. I mean look at his career PPG and compare it with other centers. You will be amazed and understand why we don't give him up for bad value.


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07-04-2012, 03:46 PM
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I'd like to add that Toronto already got our best centre for the whopping value of nothing, so you should be thankful for that instead of lowballing us for Stastny too.

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Well he didn't make that clear at all. It sounds just as ridiculous as what the OP proposed.
If you don't want to give up one of Gardiner, Kessel or Reilly you should stop proposing trades for Stastny....

In no way did he imply it was a Kessel for Stastny straight up deal.

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I never said it would be fair value or that the Leafs should do that.

I just listed the pieces who would be of interest for the Avs.

It is not like we want to trade Stastny to TOR. In fact they are one of the worst trading partners for us.

I would not to Gardiner straight up. Stastny could fetch more than him. If not we should not trade him.

And he really was not as good the last 2 years. But if he were he would be on the level of Kopitar and maybe Getzlaf and therefore not attainable at all.

Part of his decline can be attributed to the revolving door of AHL wingers he was paired with. He should be better this year.
Getzlaf? A guy who has had 80& 90+ point seasons? Something Stastny has never done? He's a good player but holy **** batman, talk about over rating.

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Getzlaf? A guy who has had 90+ point seasons? Something Stastny has never done? He's a good player but holy **** batman, talk about over rating.

And he really was not as good the last 2 years. But if he were he would be on the level of Kopitar and maybe Getzlaf and therefore not attainable at all.


Man do you have the worst reading comprehension or what

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Why would you want to trade Colborne? He's already better than Stastny ever will be.
What has Colborne proven that he is better than Stastney?

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If you don't want to give up one of Gardiner, Kessel or Reilly you should stop proposing trades for Stastny....

In no way did he imply it was a Kessel for Stastny straight up deal.
I proposed what? Nothing. Im not a Toronto fan, stop making insinuations.

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What has Colborne proven that he is better than Stastney?

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I proposed what? Nothing. Im not a Toronto fan, stop making insinuations.
That's a quote...

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And he really was not as good the last 2 years. But if he were he would be on the level of Kopitar and maybe Getzlaf and therefore not attainable at all.


Man do you have the worst reading comprehension or what
It has nothing to do with my reading comprehension as it is you making asinine statements. IF... IF IF IF... it means nothing because he didn't do it, therefore he is not on those players levels.

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It has nothing to do with my reading comprehension as it is you making asinine statements. IF... IF IF IF... it means nothing because he didn't do it, therefore he is not on those players levels.
No one ever said he was. The original poster said that if he was as good in his 2 past seasons as his first 3 then he would be. You managed to miss the point in every post you're responding to.

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Looking for thoughts on this. Would Colorado do this? Would Toronto? Does this actually help both clubs long term? Would any other team step up and pay more than this for Stastny?

Colorado Avalanche acquire:
C Joe Colborne, 22, $0.875M x 1
W Nikolai Kulemin, 26, RFA
W Clarke MacArthur, 27, $3.25M x 1

Toronto Maple Leafs acquire:
C Paul Stastny, 26, $6.6M x 2
W Milan Hejduk, 36, $2.0M x 1 (Colorado's option to include him or not)

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Colorado:
-Stastny, Duchene and O'Reilly gives Colorado three top-2 centers.
-Stastny has had back-to-back disappointing seasons (0.72PPG, previous 4 seasons 0.96PPG)
-Colorado adds youth, grit and a solid prospect who can play 2nd/3rd line center for 10+ years.

Toronto:
-Takes a gamble on Stastny with a high cap hit and average numbers the last two seasons. But he was an elite playmaking point-producer prior to that and is still young.
-Gives up a good prospect in Colborne, but with Stastny and Grabovski the Leafs are set at center for the next 5 years.

Colorado Avalanche:
Landeskog Duchene Parenteau
Jones O'Reilly Downie
MacArthur Colborne Kulemin
McGinn Mitchell Kobasew

Toronto Maple Leafs:
Lupul Stastny Kessel
JVR Grabovski Frattin
Kadri McClement Hejduk
Brown Steckel Lombardi
No. Colorado has no nedd nor desire to trade Stastny nor Hejduk.

Just forget about trying to acquire Stastny.

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So if Stastny was as good as Getzlaf and Kopitar the past few years he'd be as good as Getzlaf and Kopitar?

More BS doublespeak from Avs homers. To try to distort reality. If Stastny had put up 200 point seasons the past few years he'd be as good as Gretzky. The fact is he didn't.

At best Stastny would be worth a first rounder, decent but not blue chip prospect, and an overpaid roster player.

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It has nothing to do with my reading comprehension as it is you making asinine statements. IF... IF IF IF... it means nothing because he didn't do it, therefore he is not on those players levels.
No he is not. But he was on the same pace careerwise as them before he slowed down the last 2 years. He is 26. So there is no reason why he can't bounce back.

I mean Getzlaf had 5 more points in 3 more games last year.

Stastny will obviously not command Getzlaf value. He is not as good. But he still can not be had for minor pieces. And the only pieces in a trade with TOR that make a tiny bit of sense for the Avs would be Kessel, Reilly and Gardiner.

Those pieces are not worth the same and for Kessel we would have to add. But if you are a TOR fan and proposing anything besides them for Stastny and you are not completely mortgaging your future in the process, you probably have made a bad offer which does nothing for the Avs.

And I really would not trade Stastny for Stepan. Take a look at Stastny's career PPG and come back to me. He had 2 bad years. But he is 26. There is no reason why he should not bounce back and we obviously don't trade him for the value his recent production indicates. Same goes for Getzlaf. But there everyone gets it.

With Stastny noone seems to do.

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