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07-04-2012, 03:59 PM
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If we offer sheet Weber and get him our lineup would probably look something like this:

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Jordan Eberle ($1.158m) / Ryan N.-Hopkins ($3.775m) / Nail Yakupov ($3.778m)
Taylor Hall ($3.750m) / Sam Gagner ($3.500m) / Ales Hemsky ($5.000m)
Ryan Smyth ($2.250m) / Shawn Horcoff ($5.500m) / Ryan Jones ($1.500m)
Ben Eager ($1.100m) / Eric Belanger ($1.750m) / Teemu Hartikainen ($0.875m)
Lennart Petrell ($0.825m) / Darcy Hordichuk ($0.850m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Whitney ($4.000m) / Shea Weber ($8.500m)
Ladislav Smid ($2.250m) / Jeff Petry ($2.500m)
Nick Schultz ($3.500m) / Justin Schultz ($3.775m)
Andy Sutton ($1.750m) /
GOALTENDERS
Devan Dubnyk ($1.800m)
Nikolai Khabibulin ($3.750m)
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Sheldon Souray ($1.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,936,110; BONUSES: $9,112,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,263,890
If we have the option between offer sheeting and trading, I would definitely prefer the OS route. Bottom 6 is a little weak, but other than that this roster is stacked.

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Wait is Weber the best d man in the world right now are we sure I know he is great but there are alot of great d men
He is better than Karlsson, Doughty, Chara, and Suter. He is about as good as Pronger was.

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Signed (Preds talk to Weber) he costs one of the big four.

Unsigned he costs a king's ransom (not a big four, but enough to REALLY hurt) and walks July 2013.

Take your pick.
A signed Weber doesn't get traded.

An unsigned Weber, who would be acquired only if amenable to an extension because getting him otherwise is stupid, would be worth a king's ransom.

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The only way you offer one of the top 4 if it is guaranteed he will sign 5 years or more and it is off-season.

As the season progresses NO team will offer a star player for him.

Also sorry there is NO way in hell that the Oilers give up 4 draft picks to sign Weber to a one year offer sheet. Ain't happening. I laughed out loud at that one.
When we traded Prongs I didn't see Perry or Getzlaf come back or did i miss that and he was signed for 6 years at 6 mil at that time THE best D man in the league not top 5 the best

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Just keep in the mind the last time a team threatened to make an offersheet if a team wouldn't deal their RFA, Burke traded for Kessel and gave up....

Tyler Seguin
Dougie Hamilton
Jared Knight
True, but that was for Phil Kessel NOT Shea Weber.

We have collected 4 superior talents through our drafting and have some great young assets now. The only thing is we don't have enough roster spots. I think now is the time to make a trade if one could be made for this guy. No threats, just facts. Pollie already knows if he has a good shot of re-signing Weber. IF he doesn't feel like he can he can have his pick of any of the following assets: (Hemsky, Prv, Klefbom, Petry, Musil, Gagner, 2013 1st) Not bad, perhaps other teams can offer better?

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Why would we risk losing draft picks for one year of Shea Weber? There's no way that he re-signs here as a UFA. He'd use the Oilers for a massive one year payoff and then look elsewhere.
If he signed the RFA contract with us, he'd probably be willing to resign next year. Why become hated in a city when he could just as easily do the 1y deal thing with the team he was going to sign with? But of course then he's missing out on the lifetime type contracts only available this summer. It might be tough to get him to sign the 1 year deal. Unless Katz did something like promise him 100M+ over a 13 year period broken up into CBA allowed allotments.

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If Weber doesn't get signed in the next few months then Nashville's greatest return will be at the Trade Deadline, as a rental, to a contender.
Lets get serious, if he's come this far, why would he agree to a "sign and trade" to the Oilers? If he really wants to be an Oiler, he waits till Free Agency and signs here without forcing a big piece the other way.

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07-04-2012, 04:03 PM
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When we traded Prongs I didn't see Perry or Getzlaf come back or did i miss that and he was signed for 6 years at 6 mil at that time THE best D man in the league not top 5 the best
Exactly. To use the terminology from another thread, even top players signed to extensions garner "strong bets" rather than "sure things."

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Before we get too carried away just remember that swany said he hasn't talked to his source yet and that his comment was based on what Tencer-->Stauffer, Matheson were mentioning.

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A lot of people saying why would Weber sign here....

Why wouldn't he sign here? Great young core, lacking a #1 d-man, and he'd be revered as a god in this city.

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If Weber doesn't get signed in the next few months then Nashville's greatest return will be at the Trade Deadline, as a rental, to a contender.
Lets get serious, if he's come this far, why would he agree to a "sign and trade" to the Oilers? If he really wants to be an Oiler, he waits till Free Agency and signs here without forcing a big piece the other way.
Yep, unless the CBA changes the state of July 1 then Weber has no reason not to try for a $100 million deal.

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Sure we can use Pronger as a comparison for a Weber trade....

1st trade - Lupul, Smid, 1st rounder, conditional 1st and a 2nd rounder.
2nd trade - Lupul, Sbisa, 2 - 1st rounders and a conditonal pick

But if were using that as a basis......

How many 50+ point seasons has Weber had?
How many Norris Trophys?
How many Hart Trophys?
How many Stanley Cups? Or Cup finals?


I'm not saying I dont want Weber, but your comparing him to a future Hall of Famer.

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I agree with this, but I feel like Whitney would be involved in a trade for Weber JMO.

Hemsky, Petry, Whitney, 2013 1st for Weber, Cap Dump?

Down the road:

Hall 6.5 -Gagner 3.5 -Eberle 6.5
Paajarvi 3 -RNH 6.5 -Yakupov 6.5
Hart 1.5 - Lander 2 - Pitlick ELC
Eager 2 - Belanger 2 - Petrell 1.5

Weber 8 - J Schultz 4
Smid 4 - N Schultz 4
Klefbom ELC - Musil ELC

Dubnyk 3
Bunz ELC

68.5 mil if my math is right.

Pretty doable but we have to move Whitney.
What is Whitney's status as far as his injury goes, is he healed or will never heal, if he is as bad as he was last year he has no value?

I am sure that NAS would want one of our Fab 4. It is hard to give one of them up when you have 4 fwds that are top line players it provides so much depth on the top two lines. I would trade any of Hemsky, Gagner, Petry, 2013 picks and any other prospect not names Yak.

Would Hemsky, PRV, Petry, 2013 1st and Klefbom would get it done. That is a huge over payment.

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A lot of people saying why would Weber sign here....

Why wouldn't he sign here? Great young core, lacking a #1 d-man, and he'd be revered as a god in this city.
Modern hockey players - especially modern Canadian players - don't care about that stuff.

Potential to win immediately + weather/quality of life = everything.

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If Weber doesn't get signed in the next few months then Nashville's greatest return will be at the Trade Deadline, as a rental, to a contender.
Lets get serious, if he's come this far, why would he agree to a "sign and trade" to the Oilers? If he really wants to be an Oiler, he waits till Free Agency and signs here without forcing a big piece the other way.
I disagree. They'll get a bigger return this summer when teams get the full year of his play. Plus 3/4 of the teams think they are contenders in the offseason, so they're more likely to get a higher draft pick than if they are dealing him to a contender at the deadline.

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"Winnipeg Jets sign Al Montoya to one-year deal worth $601,000"

as per LeBrun

Can't believe the Rangers let him go...

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Any potential here of maybe seeing another "hockey trade" go down? Kind of like the Heatley-Hossa swap.(Of course the Jackets would have to add)

Blue Jackets- Shea Weber

Predators -Rick Nash + Jack Johnson

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Sure we can use Pronger as a comparison for a Weber trade....

1st trade - Lupul, Smid, 1st rounder, conditional 1st and a 2nd rounder.
2nd trade - Lupul, Sbisa, 2 - 1st rounders and a conditonal pick

But if were using that as a basis......

How many 50+ point seasons has Weber had?
How many Norris Trophys?
How many Hart Trophys?
How many Stanley Cups? Or Cup finals?


I'm not saying I dont want Weber, but your comparing him to a future Hall of Famer.
Pronger was signed to a multi-year deal.

Big, big difference.

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Weber isn't getting dealt during this offseason. Nashville isn't going to put their fan base through the pain of losing both of their key players in less than two months. I like Weber, and I'd love to see him wearing orange and blue, but Im just not convinced he's destined to be in Edmonton.

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If Weber doesn't get signed in the next few months then Nashville's greatest return will be at the Trade Deadline, as a rental, to a contender.
Lets get serious, if he's come this far, why would he agree to a "sign and trade" to the Oilers? If he really wants to be an Oiler, he waits till Free Agency and signs here without forcing a big piece the other way.
Teams usually allow other GM to talk to the player if its a RFA or a pending UFA.
It helps them net a much bigger return.
If NSH trades Weber, the team he is going to would already have a verbal agreement re his next contract.

Why do it now? its because right now he can sign a Suter like contract. It might not be a case after after the next CBA.

The best return for Weber for NSH would be now IMO.

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"Winnipeg Jets sign Al Montoya to one-year deal worth $601,000"

as per LeBrun

Can't believe the Rangers let him go...
Probably a different Al Montoya. Rangers would never let him go.

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Pronger was signed to a multi-year deal.

Big, big difference.
So Weber not having a multi-year deal should have more value?

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In a realistic world it would take Yakupov, Petry, Klefbom, and a 1st
Weber is not Crosby........I would be very very very upset if we made that deal.

Oilers are not at a stage where we should gut the prospect pool in order to acquire a #1 d man.

I am all for trading assets but this one is just not realistic...

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A lot of people saying why would Weber sign here....

Why wouldn't he sign here? Great young core, lacking a #1 d-man, and he'd be revered as a god in this city.
The team, though promising, is still terrible; the weather isn't everyone's cup of tea; what you might consider reverence he may consider enormous pressure.

But, hey, every team in the league wanted Justin Schultz and he chose us. Maybe players will start to see us differently. And the vaults of Daryl Katz may also be convincing.

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He is better than Karlsson, Doughty, Chara, and Suter. He is about as good as Pronger was.
Not even close.

Do people not value passing and hockey sense anymore? Weber is probably the best dman in the league at dominating guys along the boards but he doesn't really have a great passing game. As for hockey sense, he thinks the game pretty well from a defensive point of view, but he doesn't have great offensive instincts.

Give me Doughty over Weber any day.

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