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07-04-2012, 04:18 PM
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Detroit doesn't have the assets. the only two players they have worth anything are both on the decline.
That's interesting, because Detroit is seen as THE organization that has a plethora of top prospects/assets at every position. Highly coveted ones, to boot.

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So according to your superlogic, Sidney Crosby has roughly 60 games.


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Conditional 3rd.



Do it Shero/Bergy!
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That's interesting, because Detroit is seen as THE organization that has a plethora of top prospects/assets at every position. Highly coveted ones, to boot.
Really? name one that's not a bust... or someone who's playing in the NHL who is any good at all.

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That's interesting, because Detroit is seen as THE organization that has a plethora of top prospects/assets at every position. Highly coveted ones, to boot.
They have enough assets to get Markov.

Ouellet and a forward prospect (Detroit gets to protect 4) would be a deal I'd consider.

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Like I said, conditional 7th on the condition that he plays 75 games. That's an overpayment because that 7th could actually play hockey in the future.
So if Markov plays 75 games next year he's worth a 7th? I don't know if you understand how conditional contracts work...

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07-04-2012, 04:36 PM
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They have enough assets to get Markov.

Ouellet and a forward prospect (Detroit gets to protect 4) would be a deal I'd consider.
since when will prospects be enough to ditch our best D?

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So if Markov plays 75 games next year he's worth a 7th? I don't know if you understand how conditional contracts work...
... but he's got trolling down to a T.

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07-04-2012, 04:41 PM
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since when will prospects be enough to ditch our best D?
Since the players we had decided to finished 15th in the East.

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07-04-2012, 04:43 PM
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Jarnkrok, Kindl or Oulette and a pick.

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Jarnkrok, Kindl or Oulette and a pick.
honestly, if we were trading Markov to Det, I'd really like to get Kindl. He would be a top 4 on this team and log huge minutes.

But nothing like that would ever happen, there's actually a better chance of eklund getting a trade right...before it happened

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Wow, those are some asking prices. Visnovsky, due to age, one weak offensive year, and some injury concern, fetched a 2nd round pick on the actual market. A agree that Markov was a better player four, probably three years ago, and hell, he might even be today, but all things considered, I really don't see him returning significantly more right now.

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This deal only happens at the deadline, if at all. Markov needs to show not only can he stay healthy but that his game has not deteriorated.
This would be the other concern I would think. Even if he stays healthy he's missed so much hockey the last few years you gotta wonder if he'll be able to have the same impact. Unless you're a gambler it's probably in everyone's best interest to let Markov play 20 games before deciding on trading him or not.

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07-04-2012, 05:21 PM
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Since the players we had decided to finished 15th in the East.
the players we had decided to finish the year on the IR

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So according to your superlogic, Sidney Crosby has roughly 60 games.


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Sidney Crosby


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Conditional 3rd.



Do it Shero/Bergy!
Because Crosby is a 33 year old defenseman that shredded his knee? Most teams wouldn't have traded for Crosby when he had his concussion problems. A concussion also isn't something that can seriously hinder your ability to skate.

Guess what, Crosby is back and doctors have fully cleared him. On top of that he came back playing at just about the level he is expected to and he and the doctors have said the concussions are behind him, so while I applaud you for trying... not quite the same thing.

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So if Markov plays 75 games next year he's worth a 7th? I don't know if you understand how conditional contracts work...
I don't think you understand how badly I don't want Markov on the Red Wings. Since we would have to give something up, it would be a 7th and if he didn't play 75 games we get it back.

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07-04-2012, 05:42 PM
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I don't think you understand how badly I don't want Markov on the Red Wings. Since we would have to give something up, it would be a 7th and if he didn't play 75 games we get it back.
that's kinda lowballing for someone who'd be your best player

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A concussion also isn't something that can seriously hinder your ability to skate.
Mmmm... who's embarrassing who here? So why don't concussed players keep skating then?

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Markov value is at an all time low for the Habs. You don't trade players with low trade value and big upside like Markov. Let him play with the Habs next season. Let's see if his knee fully recovered and if he's back to his old form. Then, if Bergevin wants to trade him, he might just do it at the trade deadline if Montreal is "mathematically eliminated" by then.

To trade Markov right now would be a great mistake for Montreal.

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A concussion also isn't something that can seriously hinder your ability to skate.
Yeah you also can drink and drive.75 games of Markov only worth a 7th rounder? Habs would get better offer by at least 15 teams for an injured Markov.

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that's kinda lowballing for someone who'd be your best player
... Might have forgotten the there pal. Markov is imo equal to Kronwall in terms of ability/Contribution to the team. So what would I give up for Kronwall? Kindl/Quincey+top prospect+1st, Markov has less term so take out the first & unfortunately has been injured way to much the past 3 years so he loses value. The final nail in the coffin is with Detroit's defence in shambles we need a defenceman that we know for certain will be ready to go at the beginning of the year and we should give our assets to acquire players that will be ready to go.

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07-04-2012, 06:20 PM
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... Might have forgotten the there pal. Markov is imo equal to Kronwall in terms of ability/Contribution to the team. So what would I give up for Kronwall? Kindl/Quincey+top prospect+1st, Markov has less term so take out the first & unfortunately has been injured way to much the past 3 years so he loses value. The final nail in the coffin is with Detroit's defence in shambles we need a defenceman that we know for certain will be ready to go at the beginning of the year and we should give our assets to acquire players that will be ready to go.
He's ready to go, the only question is for how long. However, I'd say it would take around a month for Markov to get fully into the swing of things again despite playing last season. First month he'll be bad.

The habs can either trade a potential top 10 dman in the league for well below his value and hope he craps out for the other team, or they can keep him and have a great defenseman and how he doesn't crap out.

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07-04-2012, 06:21 PM
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I don't think you understand how badly I don't want Markov on the Red Wings. Since we would have to give something up, it would be a 7th and if he didn't play 75 games we get it back.

I guess simply saying "I don't want Markov" doesn't convey the subtle depths and colours of your sarcastic three-year old inner child angst.

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... Might have forgotten the there pal. Markov is imo equal to Kronwall in terms of ability/Contribution to the team. So what would I give up for Kronwall? Kindl/Quincey+top prospect+1st, Markov has less term so take out the first & unfortunately has been injured way to much the past 3 years so he loses value. The final nail in the coffin is with Detroit's defence in shambles we need a defenceman that we know for certain will be ready to go at the beginning of the year and we should give our assets to acquire players that will be ready to go.
If he comes back like he was before... No, not really.

Or more like, no, really not.

This said, nobody can say how will he be in the next years.

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And Markov will never be in Norris consideration. It's funny that Habs fans say things like "I think I could settle for prospect x" and then lay some garbage like "If he wasn't hurt x would happen".

The man has played 65 games out of a possible 246 in the last three seasons. He was a good defenseman. Until he proves otherwise, no matter how good he still may be he has zero value until he proves (playing in Montreal) that he can remain healthy.

Like I said, conditional 7th on the condition that he plays 75 games. That's an overpayment because that 7th could actually play hockey in the future.



What does that even mean? Campoli or Barker can actually skate and remain somewhat healthy. They are worth more then Markov right now.



You've embarrassed yourself. 65 of 246 in the last three seasons. Call it whatever makes you feel better.


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07-04-2012, 06:54 PM
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... Might have forgotten the there pal. Markov is imo equal to Kronwall in terms of ability/Contribution to the team. So what would I give up for Kronwall? Kindl/Quincey+top prospect+1st, Markov has less term so take out the first & unfortunately has been injured way to much the past 3 years so he loses value. The final nail in the coffin is with Detroit's defence in shambles we need a defenceman that we know for certain will be ready to go at the beginning of the year and we should give our assets to acquire players that will be ready to go.
nah rly, without lidstrom detroit is due for a top 5 pick

edit: suspect defense, badly aging top forwards (not that Datsyuk/Zetterberg are old.. they just aren't that great anymore), no can't miss prospects, and haven't had a decent goalie since.. Hasek? and none for a decade before that.

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