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07-04-2012, 04:26 PM
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so...you are suggesting that there was a contract that mcphee could have offered either of those players, who were talking to each other about their choice, would have signed?

@halpy: those reversals are entertaining. if semin is locked at loaded with his next team and a force, then you will likely see much the same sort of 180 around here from those that said they wanted him gone....just gone. just wait
What's even more entertaining is that they've now taken to blaming Ovechkin being a horrible leader and example to Semin's "attitude problems". IE the way more mature and leadery Ilya Kovalchuk can mentor him into becoming a true winner.

Not that Kovalchuk is a loser or anything, but it's hilarious.

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07-04-2012, 04:32 PM
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Cap space doesn't win Stanley cups. Ribeiro is likely a 1 year rental, Kuznetsov is not coming for another 2 years. Forsberg probably won't be an impact player in the next 2 seasons either. On top of that we don't really have good UFA options to improved our blue line.

At this point I think I would pay Semin to keep him here. Otherwise in 2013 we might end up with nothing.

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07-04-2012, 04:59 PM
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Well...Poti's groin wasn't shredded when he got his extension, Kolzig got a two-year extension in the middle of the rebuilding when he was 35 and posting a .910 save percentage with said rebuilding team, and I'm not sure which draftee you're referring to (it wasn't AnGus).
I'm on my phone so I can't look it up, but Poti had missed time due to groin injuries 3 or 4 times prior to signing his extension. The draftee is Johansson.

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There is a short term top-6 (RW) hole there even if GMGM plans to have Forsberg/Kuznetsov here in the future.

I think it's obvious.

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07-04-2012, 05:04 PM
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I'm on my phone so I can't look it up, but Poti had missed time due to groin injuries 3 or 4 times prior to signing his extension. The draftee is Johansson.
Eakin also had a concussion history.

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07-04-2012, 05:07 PM
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Also I think MJ had 2 concussions prior to draft. IDK why I think 2 but so says my memory.

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07-04-2012, 05:16 PM
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So the Wild may actually not fall off the face of earth next year? Still don't see them being more then bottom playoff team currenrly.

Also like to note the contract "rules" are ********. If I'm Lou, I'm screaming because a difference of 11 million between high/low years and term is a cap avoidance contract. Once again the NHL spineless rules do very little to nothing to stop the actions they were created for.

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I like how McPhee/Leonsis are telling us "to trade is better than to overpay for FA". I don't see major trade baits in our system besides Schultz/Erskine (low value) and next year draft picks.

What we can trade with realistically?

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07-04-2012, 05:19 PM
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Cap space doesn't win Stanley cups. Ribeiro is likely a 1 year rental, Kuznetsov is not coming for another 2 years. Forsberg probably won't be an impact player in the next 2 seasons either. On top of that we don't really have good UFA options to improved our blue line.

At this point I think I would pay Semin to keep him here. Otherwise in 2013 we might end up with nothing.
If Ribeiro was a rental, what are they going to do next year? I don't see MoJo ever being a high quality 2C in comparison to Ribeiro. In fact, MoJo might never be 2C material at all, it is all conjecture at this point. I hope that if he plays well they can retain him for a similar price or cheaper.

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I like how McPhee/Leonsis are telling us "to trade is better than to overpay for FA". I don't see major trade baits in our system besides Schultz/Erskine (low value) and next year draft picks.

What we can trade with realistically?
And that's the rub with this whole build through the draft and trades strategy. The Caps don't have the necessary depth to make too many impact trades because they haven't done well enough in the FA market.

I'd think guys like Kundratek and Perreault would be the best candidates, but I'm not sure how much value they have.

I'd explore Schultz/Erskine + a mid level prospect or pick for Setoguchi.

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Also I think MJ had 2 concussions prior to draft. IDK why I think 2 but so says my memory.
I'm sorry, it was three concussions per Gare Joyce.

Regardless, this franchise isn't risk averse in committing to players. They just make stupid choices when taking risks.

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Well, sorry to those who harbored hopes of getting either of those guys, but at least Pens didn't get them. Although if they get Semin... lol.

One other thing -- so normally, I'm in the front ranks of bashing Caps for letting players walk for nothing. But I guess, Parise and Suter.. walked for nothing, eh? The great Lamoriello got a big fat nothing for Parise... .. I just don't understand these NHL GM's. You have a star that's likely to leave, you can get a truckload of assets for him in a trade to cushion or even exceed (long term) his absence, but no, you hold on gambling on him magically changing his mind. It's absurd..
You are completely overlooking the fact that the Devils racked up 14 wins in the playoffs this year. They very nearly won it all.

As a GM, you aren't keeping the player because you hope to sign him later. You certainly might also want to sign him later, but that's not the primary reason you keep him.

You keep him because you play to win the game.

There are no awards for winning the annual Asset Management Derby. There are prizes for winning hockey games, and series, and championships.

Lamoriello kept Parise because while he might lose him for nothing, he might also win a Cup with him in the fold, this year. That is why teams keep pending UFAs. That's why teams trade for pending UFAs. Next year will take care of itself.

This is the same reason why Nashville decided to keep Suter. They thought they had a solid chance to win a Cup. NJ got a lot closer than the Predators in the end. Both felt they were contenders in February.

When you are always getting something for soon-to-be expiring assets, never deviating from that philosophy, you are forever looking ahead to next year, to three years from now, to a five-year plan. Sometimes, you also want to see your GM go for it.

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If we plan to use Laich as a checking C I see him as a logical choice to trade. Sell him as saving a GM a second contract, jock of all trades, proven scoring line winger, potential captain et al.

With inflation his contract may be cheap a few years from now, but to me he is overpaid to be a checking center. Lets roll Beagle instead and suffer through the 10 less goals somehow. Getting someone with better faceoff numbers should help that a bit.

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07-04-2012, 05:23 PM
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I like how McPhee/Leonsis are telling us "to trade is better than to overpay for FA". I don't see major trade baits in our system besides Schultz/Erskine (low value) and next year draft picks.

What we can trade with realistically?
I don't rate MoJo as ever being anything very effective, so I'd start with him only if we can get a player like Ryan or Nash back. Laich is another valuable trading piece.

We can entertain trading one of Orlov, Green, Galiev, Neuvirth, and rights to Kuznetsov, Wilson, Forsberg.

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RE: The day's free agency news, I'm elated for a solid hockey market that should enjoy more success in Minnesota. Those cap hits are reasonable. This comes down to ownership's willingness to shell out big bucks, both imediately ($10M + $10M today) and also in the next 12-18 months (a total of about $45M for those two, I believe).

Most importantly, no team in the East gets a lot better. Yes, that starts with the Penguins, but there are a few others that didn't need to be adding an elite player either.

There are certainly other free agents out there, but most of them have warts.

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Suter I have no issue with signing so long, I think he's gonna hold up as well as anybody, but I kinda wonder if Parise may start falling off the face of the earth in 5 years or so. He seems to have the same thing as Richards going against him - small guy playing a big man's game in the trenches. That's a ton of wear and tear. Richards already is showing signs of it and he plays a lot more physical than Parise, but I can't help but think that Parise will head the same way.

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07-04-2012, 05:32 PM
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If we plan to use Laich as a checking C I see him as a logical choice to trade. Sell him as saving a GM a second contract, jock of all trades, proven scoring line winger, potential captain et al.
As it stands now Laich is our 2nd best winger.


PS: Imagine OV is injured.

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I like how McPhee/Leonsis are telling us "to trade is better than to overpay for FA". I don't see major trade baits in our system besides Schultz/Erskine (low value) and next year draft picks.

What we can trade with realistically?
I don't know, it's borderline delusional. Let's draft well so we can spend half the prospects on trades to shore up the roster, and the other half we'll develop and either pay them like UFAs, anyway, or let them walk for nothing. But UFA? Horrible idea, because almost every time we try to get a decent player there, we "invent" the crap out of him and end up with a bad contract. Other good teams seem to do just fine in UFA, but let's not think about that.

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To trade for a good player, Caps would most likely have to open up a hole(s) somewhere else and quite likely overpay.. So they should get a relatively crap player, and those are still available in free agency.

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As it stands now Laich is our 2nd best winger.


PS: Imagine OV is injured.
..tires will continue to get changed, no matter what.

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As it stands now Laich is our 2nd best winger.


PS: Imagine OV is injured.
We had Chimera score 20 goals. That's 17 less than Ovechkin. We'll use our own guys

I wonder how much more Ovie will score this year now that teams can use all their best shutdown players to shadow his every second on the ice.

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I wonder how much more Ovie will score this year now that teams can use all their best shutdown players to shadow his every second on the ice.
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RE: The day's free agency news, I'm elated for a solid hockey market that should enjoy more success in Minnesota. Those cap hits are reasonable. This comes down to ownership's willingness to shell out big bucks, both imediately ($10M + $10M today) and also in the next 12-18 months (a total of about $45M for those two, I believe).

Most importantly, no team in the East gets a lot better. Yes, that starts with the Penguins, but there are a few others that didn't need to be adding an elite player either.

There are certainly other free agents out there, but most of them have warts.
It's funny because the Wild are currently a 7-10 team in the West, imo. Trades, Nash and Semin are far from done, but the teams in the East are weaker if none of those happen in the East. Ribs, Crabb and Hillen are looking solid atm.

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If we plan to use Laich as a checking C I see him as a logical choice to trade. Sell him as saving a GM a second contract, jock of all trades, proven scoring line winger, potential captain et al.

With inflation his contract may be cheap a few years from now, but to me he is overpaid to be a checking center. Lets roll Beagle instead and suffer through the 10 less goals somehow. Getting someone with better faceoff numbers should help that a bit.
I'd do that...yesterday, but odds are low, IMO. I think Laich is the kind of player a young team might be interested in giving up a good prospect for.. but if you're talking about a good top-6 player, I doubt Laich can be the best player in a package.

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We had Chimera score 20 goals. That's 17 less than Ovechkin. We'll use our own guys

I wonder how much more Ovie will score this year now that teams can use all their best shutdown players to shadow his every second on the ice.
Teams play their best shutdown players against Ovi either way. A dangerous 2nd line won't change that, but it will provide the much needed scoring when Ovi struggles.

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