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Ryan Suter overpaid?

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Yes 185 78.72%
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07-04-2012, 08:22 PM
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Not overpaid. Was there a better NHL defenseman available through Free Agency this July 1st?

His value was determined by an invisible hand in a hockey glove.

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07-04-2012, 08:23 PM
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Both signed 13 years contract. Would you rather have Keith at 5.5 or Suter at 7.5?

If you say Keith, then that measn Suter was overpaid. Suter is now the highest paid dmen in the league but hes not even top 10. I can name 10 dmen I would take ahead of Suter
This has to be a troll poll right?

First off, If you say Keith, how does that mean Suter is overpaid? Honestly, explain that to me.

Secondly, name 10 defensemen you would take ahead of Suter. Actually no, name 5 defensemen you would take ahead of Suter. You can't or you're wrong.

Thirdly, no, he is not overpaid. He's a top 5 defenseman IN THE ENTIRE NHL. There are 6 forwards in the NHL with higher cap hits, defense is the more important position IMO anyway so why shouldn't he be paid that high? You can't really compare contracts of comparing defensemen either because who of similar quality signed recently? The cap keeps going up and up. You can't look at a signing as overpaid or underpaid based on what their cap hit is, you have to look at it based on what percentage of a team cap hit they take up. As the salary cap goes up, the player's salary is going to go up...

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07-04-2012, 08:35 PM
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I think hes worth it for the next 5 years but 13 years at a 7.54m cap hit is way to much.
Parise, I think, is the one that got severely overpaid.

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07-04-2012, 08:58 PM
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I would take all these players before Suter right now.

Weber
Chara
Keith
Doughty
Letang
Karlsson
Pietrangelo
Yandle
Myers
Edler

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A million less and he'd be in the range I would have been comfortable with paying him...

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07-04-2012, 10:02 PM
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Well no **** he's overpaid but how many free agents don't get overpaid for? Not many. Wild fans aren't gonna complain about the money issues because we still have a lot of money coming off the books in the next couple of years.

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07-04-2012, 10:12 PM
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I would take all these players before Suter right now.

Weber
Chara
Keith
Doughty
Letang
Karlsson
Pietrangelo
Yandle
Myers
Edler
You would take Myers over Suter right now? Yikes. And what Keith makes has nothing to do with whether or not Suter is overpaid.

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07-05-2012, 02:51 AM
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No...he actually makes, 12, 12, 11 for the first three years of his contract.


Chara
Weber
Keith
Karlsson
Yandle
Doughty
Pietrangelo
Hell, I might even pick Letang, Edler and Shattenkirk over him...
Edler, Yandle, Shatty? Please tell me you're joking.

He was also (much) better than Keith last season.

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07-05-2012, 05:29 AM
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Both signed 13 years contract. Would you rather have Keith at 5.5 or Suter at 7.5?

If you say Keith, then that measn Suter was overpaid. Suter is now the highest paid dmen in the league but hes not even top 10. I can name 10 dmen I would take ahead of Suter
Maybe Keith is now underpaid and I can name maybe 5-6 guys I would take over Suter and almost all of them either make very close to what Suter makes or will when they are due for their next contract.

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07-05-2012, 05:35 AM
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I would take all these players before Suter right now.

Weber
Chara
Keith
Doughty
Letang
Karlsson
Pietrangelo
Yandle
Myers
Edler
Yandle, Myers, Letang, and Edler really? Heck, I wouldn't even put Keith ahead of Suter for last year. Chara, Weber and Karlsson no problem there. Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, and Suter are in the next step down as far as I am concerned and the rest don't belong with those 7 players.

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07-05-2012, 10:45 AM
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Did you ever consider Keith is underpaid?
That's silly, he's just not that good, otherwise he'd be getting paid like a #1, instead he's getting paid a little more than #3s like Wideman and Carle...

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07-05-2012, 10:56 AM
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Too many years.

If it were for 3-4 years, then 7.5 is not a problem. But 13 years at his age is an overpayment. A necessary overpayment though.

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07-05-2012, 12:09 PM
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That's silly, he's just not that good, otherwise he'd be getting paid like a #1, instead he's getting paid a little more than #3s like Wideman and Carle...
Keith is underpaid by at least $1.5M if referring to his cap hit alone. He is a top-five defenseman in the NHL.

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02-12-2013, 05:52 PM
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Overpaid? Yes! Elite? No

10 Defencemen I would take over Ryan Suter?

Chara
Weber
Kronwall
Doughty
PK Subban
Karlsson
Duncan Keith
Pietrangelo
Dan Boyle
Mike Green

I think Suter is good, but he's not an elite in my opinion - I could name 5-10 more I would gladly take over Suter but I think I've proven my point.

In conclusion, I believe he is being overpaid but that doesn't mean he's a terrible player.

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02-12-2013, 05:56 PM
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10 Defencemen I would take over Ryan Suter?

Chara
Weber

Kronwall
Doughty
PK Subban
Karlsson
Duncan Keith
Pietrangelo
Dan Boyle
Mike Green

I think Suter is good, but he's not an elite in my opinion - I could name 5-10 more I would gladly take over Suter but I think I've proven my point.

In conclusion, I believe he is being overpaid but that doesn't mean he's a terrible player.

Is he overpaid? probably, but most free agents these days are. As for the defensemen you listed the bolded ones would be the only ones i take over him. Keith is very close also. Just think you're underrating him.

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02-12-2013, 06:27 PM
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I do think he is overpaid but not by much. And the Wild made the right move to sign him.

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02-12-2013, 06:28 PM
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would you rather have Claude Giroux at 3.75m or Jamie Benn at 4.985?

Benn is overpaid!!!!

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You can say that about every superstar UFA. But that is not the topic we are discussing.
It is, though, as many hold that overpaying for a player is a bad thing (I'm not one of those, but they do exist and there are many).

As for the question, yeah he's overpaid. But we knew he was going to be overpaid regardless of who signed him. That's just what happens when a really big name reaches Unrestricted Free Agency.

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10 Defencemen I would take over Ryan Suter?

Chara
Weber
Kronwall
Doughty
PK Subban
Karlsson
Duncan Keith
Pietrangelo
Dan Boyle
Mike Green

I think Suter is good, but he's not an elite in my opinion - I could name 5-10 more I would gladly take over Suter but I think I've proven my point.

In conclusion, I believe he is being overpaid but that doesn't mean he's a terrible player.
I'm the biggest P.K. Subban fan on HF, but as of right now, you'd have to be bonkers to take him before Suter.

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Of course he is, but that is the nature of UFA.

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Yandle, Myers, Letang, and Edler really? Heck, I wouldn't even put Keith ahead of Suter for last year. Chara, Weber and Karlsson no problem there. Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, and Suter are in the next step down as far as I am concerned and the rest don't belong with those 7 players.
I'd say Letang is right in the tier you put Keith, DD, Pietro and Suter. People don't give him enough credit because he plays for Pitt

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Secondly, name 10 defensemen you would take ahead of Suter. Actually no, name 5 defensemen you would take ahead of Suter. You can't or you're wrong.
false, I hate when people make matter of fact statements like that.
There are so many factors. Long term,I would take Pietrangelo and even Ekman-Larsson over him because they are on an upward trend, they are only going to get better. If we are talking about one cup run it's entirely different because of course I would rather have an experienced veteran in that situation; but in that same regard I would rather have Boyle for a Cup run as he has arguably been the best performing postseason defenceman the last 3-4 years.

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Mike Green? Dan Boyle? what is the world coming to.

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Yes. He is easily overpaid.

He screwed the Wild be getting both long term security AND a high cap hit. I could see that contract being a huge liability in the future.

Secondly, I don't believe he's worth it. He's not the IMPACT defenseman that you give that type of contract to. I guess the Wild were desperate to sign a free agent. I still don't understand why they would unless they thought they were legitimate contenders-- which they are not.

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02-12-2013, 07:49 PM
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I'm the biggest P.K. Subban fan on HF, but as of right now, you'd have to be bonkers to take him before Suter.
I'm actually not bonkers taking Subban over Suter - your claim to being Subban's "biggest fan" is questionable/debatable.

Let's look at some stats
Suter in 12 games
0 goals, 7 assists, 5 hits, 21 blocks, 3 powerplay points, 0 shorthanded points

Subban in 5 games
2 goals, 2 assists, 6 hits, 8 blocks, 3 powerplay points, 0 shorthanded points

Suter's played more than double the games and the only thing he is doing respectfully better is in blocking, other than that - I'll take Subban over Suter any day.

Both players' teams have equal performance.

I'm not a stat-whhore (avoiding profanity) and won't conclude Subban is better because his stats are a little-bit better. Subban in my opinion, is a much better skater and shooter than Suter - he also hits a lot (clean hits). His fundamental hockey skills are more attractive than Suter.

You sir, are bonkers for claiming to be Subban's biggest fan and picking Suter over him. Good day

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