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07-04-2012, 02:05 PM
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Absolutely not!

Why would you trade away our leading scorer to upgrade at position which is supposed to help increase Kessel's numbers. With a true #1 C, Kessel can easily come close, if not go past the 40G mark for a single season.

Case closed!
Kessel already came close to 40G in a season with Bozak (and a bit of Connolly) as his centre. I have to think he would nail that for sure with a legit #1

It would have to be a hell of a blockbuster trade to move out Kessel.

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07-04-2012, 02:14 PM
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Kessel already came close to 40G in a season with Bozak (and a bit of Connolly) as his centre. I have to think he would nail that for sure with a legit #1

It would have to be a hell of a blockbuster trade to move out Kessel.
Call me high, crazy,insane, etc...but he IS the best player we have had since Mats' departure

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07-04-2012, 02:35 PM
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Call me high, crazy,insane, etc...but he IS the best player we have had since Mats' departure


No, but seriously, that's the sanest thing any leaf fan could say. Kessel is easily the best player we've had since Sundin. We should be grateful to have him, great player.

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07-04-2012, 02:39 PM
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yes, because this is a stupid idea. Let's trade a top 10 scoring winger and our best player for a centre, who can then make amazing plays to.... oh crap we traded our scoring winger.

Sounds like the Sundin problem all over again, no?

This is dumb, stop trying to trade away Kessel because someone told you he was lazy.
atleast Sundin got us into the playoffs year after year. people don't seem to realize how much better a center would help this team. Wingers are much more readily available then top centers. I would trade a top winger for center any day of the week. we could trade Kessel for a center then get Nash for example, or Parise was just available, so was Kovalchuk, Gaborik wingers are always available center's are rarely available so if you have a chance to grab one you give up anything to get them. they make the most difference in a game then any other position.

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07-04-2012, 02:41 PM
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atleast Sundin got us into the playoffs year after year. people don't seem to realize how much better a center would help this team. Wingers are much more readily available then top centers. I would trade a top winger for center any day of the week. we could trade Kessel for a center then get Nash for example, or Parise was just available, so was Kovalchuk, Gaborik wingers are always available center's are rarely available so if you have a chance to grab one you give up anything to get them. they make the most difference in a game then any other position.
Sundin didn't get us into the playoffs every year. A well balanced team did that. Many would argue that if you had to put it on one person, it would more likely be Cujo/Belfour.

I still think the C thing is a myth. For every Kovy there is a Richards for every Gaborik there has been a Carter or Staal.

The real problem is finding the legit top line player, winger or otherwise.

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07-04-2012, 02:59 PM
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Sundin didn't get us into the playoffs every year. A well balanced team did that. Many would argue that if you had to put it on one person, it would more likely be Cujo/Belfour.
I think without either Sundin or Cujo/Belfour those teams would have been quite unremarkable. With Sundin leading from the front and the all-star goaltending keeping everything under control, there was a lot of wiggle room for the rest of the team. Take out those two, and you'd have...the current Leafs, but 10 years older?

Imagine putting an unbelievably clutch, huge, skilled, leader of a C and goaltending approaching Vezina quality on today's Leafs? That's basically everybody's wildest dreams right now.

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Only for a centre that is of the same calibre and ceiling as Kessel. Those types of centres are not available at a fair price barring ridiculously unlikely circumstances given the current state of the league.

So, no. Kessel is a special player and I would not part with him in almost all scenarios that could reasonably be proposed.

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Sundin didn't get us into the playoffs every year. A well balanced team did that. Many would argue that if you had to put it on one person, it would more likely be Cujo/Belfour.

I still think the C thing is a myth. For every Kovy there is a Richards for every Gaborik there has been a Carter or Staal.

The real problem is finding the legit top line player, winger or otherwise.
myth? go back into history and look at all the best wingers most changed teams atleast once. now go look at all the top centers and most played for the same team there entire career. also Wingers since the lockout to move include, 2 50 goal scorers Heatley(three times), Kovalchuk and 4 40 goal scorers Parise, Hossa(three times), Nash(will soon be moved), Gaborik, and to a lesser extent Kessel, and Cammalleri. those players are at the very top of there position the only guys who can be considered better then any of those are Ovie and Iginla and lately Perry and Sedin. where as the best centers to move have been Thornton, Richards, Richards and Carter(who plays wing now). the only elite Center in that list is Thornton. so there is no myth the top wingers in the game have changed teams quiet often where as the elite centers are extremely rare.

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07-04-2012, 03:08 PM
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Gilmour, Sundin, Oates, Gretzky, Messier....

I'm holding firm to my point

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07-04-2012, 03:42 PM
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Roberts - Sundin - Mogilny was a pretty decent set of wingers.
Right and we had a Conference Final run with that group, but we never had the organizational depth to back that run up and faltered when push came to shove.

Now we have the depth and a superstar on the RW. We get the 1C and then we have a potential dynasty. Because then, as guys get too old, we have the pieces to replace them. We just need our Stevie Y.

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I don't think he would fetch his worth. We would end up trading an elite winger for a semi-elite centre, and that would be the hockey equivalent of chasing one's own tail.

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07-04-2012, 03:46 PM
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Yeah, just so a year later someone can make a thread about trading said center for a high end goal scoring winger.....

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07-04-2012, 04:09 PM
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Ya sure, we will just trade Kessel, one of the best shots in the league.
hes gonna love coming down on reimer when our defence collapses like usual.

He will be a leafs killer if we trade him.. bottom line.. NO!

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07-04-2012, 04:31 PM
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NO. No chance.

People have to relaxe about getting a #1 centre. It doesn't have to happen this summer.

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07-04-2012, 04:40 PM
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You'd trade Kessel for an 11 goal guy that had 57 points? Um, ok.

I am glad you are not running the team.
was waiting to hear about Getzlafs points...

idk if i trade Kessel for Getzlaf straight up, it would have to be a multiplayer deal

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07-04-2012, 04:47 PM
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KESSEL will bolt so fast to the WILD IN 2 years, so yes traded now, along with lupol cause he will never resign here next year, then burke can tell the truth that the leafs are in a FULL rebuild mode, 5 to 10 years

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07-04-2012, 05:30 PM
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In a word yes.
But it would have to be for a top player.
Ie toews, Stamkos, maybe giroux, malkin, tavares, which i dont believe the other teams will obviously.

But for like duchene etc. No chance.

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07-04-2012, 05:42 PM
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I'm not for trading our best player but would it be worth it in long run? Would you trade him to a team that is deep down the middle? I don't think couture would be a fair trade (value wise for us) but thats the closest of value for a team down the middle. I think duchene would be a fair deal but I don't think colorado would be willing to relinquish him.

I would be willing to trade kessel for a significant upgrade down the middle because of the lack of a complete game. Yes he did accumulate 82 points without a number 1 centre. Yes he did finish top 6 in scoring. He allowed played on ron wilsons team that lacked defence. He is not good defensively anyway you put it. He is not effective on the forecheck. On the contrary, he is able to put up points without a true number 1. His passing ability and vision and extremely good. He has good and bad parts about his game.

Would you trade Kessel for a 65-70 point centreman around the same age? Would our winger depth be decimated with his departure? Would there be any sense in considering trading our greatest asset for an upgrade in the position we need the most help?

I'm not for one or the other
YES

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07-04-2012, 06:07 PM
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Trade Kessel and replace him with Semin. Kessel has no 2 way game and is lazy.
I personally thought Kessel changed for the better last season. He back checked and covered pretty well. He'll never be a defensive wizard but you don't need a top flight offensive winger to also be your best defensive forward. Phil had what I consider his break out season last year I expect more from him this season. Especially if we can get him some secondary scoring going.

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07-04-2012, 06:14 PM
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He is not effective on the forecheck.
Lol.

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Elite goalie > Elite D-man > Elite Centre > Elite Winger


So yes, I would make the trade if we got an elite center in return. Good wingers are a luxury, not a requirement. The other positions is however.

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07-04-2012, 09:33 PM
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For me, it's about the contract. I'd LOVE to ship out Kessel if we are getting a great young player of equal value, centre or otherwise, who has a good contract of 4-8 years.

In two seasons, Kessel could VERY possibly walk, and honestly, the type of guy he is, I see him signing with the highest bidder.

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