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07-05-2012, 01:08 AM
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This isn't a bad proposal, but I think it's the kind that won't happen. First, the Blues need an established guy who can play top minutes. Second, ahead of Schwartz, all of McDonald, Steen, and Perron have missed significant time with concussions. Healthy, they're very deep on left wing, but in a year, when McDonald's contract is up, if just one of Steen or Perron faces more injury problems, Schwartz is suddenly one of their top two left wings. It's even more severe if Steen ends up centering their third line.
While I understand where you are coming from, it also goes both ways. And I know you're not the one who came up with the idea, but it's just for conversations sake. All the Yandle talk has come up from the notion that phx is deep on defense while they really aren't. We are deep in defensive prospects who haven't proven they are even #5 or #6 or even #7 dmen yet. What happens when Schlemko, Summers, Stone, or even Runblad or Gormley prove they are not ready or will ever be ready to play on the big squad? We're short on NHL dmen.

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07-05-2012, 01:13 AM
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What is Gormley's role expected to be this year?

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07-05-2012, 01:14 AM
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07-05-2012, 01:21 AM
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While I understand where you are coming from, it also goes both ways. And I know you're not the one who came up with the idea, but it's just for conversations sake. All the Yandle talk has come up from the notion that phx is deep on defense while they really aren't. We are deep in defensive prospects who haven't proven they are even #5 or #6 or even #7 dmen yet. What happens when Schlemko, Summers, Stone, or even Runblad or Gormley prove they are not ready or will ever be ready to play on the big squad? We're short on NHL dmen.
Well, since you know I'm not the one who came up with the idea, the rest doesn't really matter.

For the sake of conversation, the Blues' need is for a guy who can play top-pairing minutes now. Gormley isn't that guy. Sure, value in a vacuum isn't bad, blah blah blah, whatever, but if "it goes both ways," then you have to address the needs of both teams. And if Phoenix truly doesn't have defensive depth, then it seems odd to trade Gormley away.

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What is Gormley's role expected to be this year?
Maloney has said that he strongly expects him to make the roster this year - if not by opening day, then sometime later in the season. I think Gormley could use some time in Portland, but if he develops pretty quickly, wouldn't mind calling him up sooner than expected. He'd likely be partnered with Klesla as our 3rd pairing to start.

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Well, since you know I'm not the one who came up with the idea, the rest doesn't really matter.

For the sake of conversation, the Blues' need is for a guy who can play top-pairing minutes now. Gormley isn't that guy. Sure, value in a vacuum isn't bad, blah blah blah, whatever, but if "it goes both ways," then you have to address the needs of both teams. And if Phoenix truly doesn't have defensive depth, then it seems odd to trade Gormley away.
The problem with Gormley for Schwartz is that it addresses neither teams "immediate" needs. I just threw it out there as an alternative to trading Yandle for obvious reasons

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Well, since you know I'm not the one who came up with the idea, the rest doesn't really matter.

For the sake of conversation, the Blues' need is for a guy who can play top-pairing minutes now. Gormley isn't that guy. Sure, value in a vacuum isn't bad, blah blah blah, whatever, but if "it goes both ways," then you have to address the needs of both teams. And if Phoenix truly doesn't have defensive depth, then it seems odd to trade Gormley away.
Oh, and about the defensive depth part. I'm strictly talking about depth on the coyotes roster, obviously. We have guys looking to crack the roster left and right but you dont count on guys looking to crack the roster as a reason to trade a guy like Yandle. Thats asking for trouble. Trading a prospect from a position of strength, for a prospect of equal value in a position of weakness that will help both clubs in the near future is something I assumed would be of interest. Obviously I was wrong.

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That is the worst.
Haha, gotta start low and work up to a halfway decent offer. Whats reasonable for perron?

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I'll just throw this one out there as a main part of a deal: Oshie for Yandle. Do the Blues need to add?

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I like the Gormley for Schwartz idea. Yeah it wouldn't solve our immediate need but long-term it would be great and Perron and Steen would still be there on LW.

I think the Blues will make some type of move for a d-man...possibly Bouwmeester.

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The problem with Gormley for Schwartz is that it addresses neither teams "immediate" needs. I just threw it out there as an alternative to trading Yandle for obvious reasons
but to be honest (and this was said the first time both teams conversed about it), the value is there. that is pretty rare on HF and it was a breath of fresh air. it doesn't help out immediately but both players fit the mold of the other teams needs, isn't lots of trash for one star, and is an equal value. If it was 3 years from now, this deal could be close to perfect.

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Gunnarsson + bozak for Halak

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07-05-2012, 07:47 AM
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Gunnarsson + bozak for Halak
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Haha, gotta start low and work up to a halfway decent offer. Whats reasonable for perron?
Upgrades, and that doesn't even get the conversation going.

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Gunnarsson + bozak for Halak
Literally already said no to in this topic. Same exact proposal.

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Literally already said no to in this topic. Same exact proposal.
Just flipped to the last page and commented. MY apologies.

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Just flipped to the last page and commented. MY apologies.
No big deal but I have to ask.

If you had Halak, would you trade him for Bozak/Gunnarsson?

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I'm not sure what would be involved, but Coyotes & Blues would make awesome trading partner when it comes to other teams needs..

Top 6 FWDs to Phoenix, Top Pairing DMan, Bottom scoring depth to St-Louis

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No big deal but I have to ask.

If you had Halak, would you trade him for Bozak/Gunnarsson?
Who in their right mind (except Leafs fans) would do that deam

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what would it take from the habs for perrons rights

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Who in their right mind (except Leafs fans) would do that deam
Well I hoped maybe seeing it from the other direction might deter him in the future

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Well I hoped maybe seeing it from the other direction might deter him in the future
It is a very interesting way to look at it honestly. That goes for any trade. Yea, it is from an outside fan's perspective, but it is nifty.

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I've suggested Schwartz for Gormley in the past. I would prefer trading for Yandle. But there could be plenty of reasons why that wouldn't happen. Phoenix has a top four of OEL, Yandle, Michalek and Klesla. They also have Morris. Then there are Summers, Stone and Schlemko all young players who can at least play and might have upside. On top of that, even without Gormley they have Goncharov who they're excited about, Rundblad and 2011 first rounder Connor Murphy who'll turn pro after one final year in the OHL. They could part with Gormley and be fine on D. However, with Whitney leaving and maybe Doan leaving and their forward cupboard bare of legitimate top end talent, a prospect like Schwartz is exactly the kind of Rundblad-for-Tarasenko readjustment of organizational depth the Blues did a couple summers ago. The Blues having drafted Schmaltz means little when he's probably 3 years from turning pro. That just gives them flexibility down the road.

I would do the Schwartz for Gormley idea as a backup if the Coyotes don't want to move Yandle. Gormley would be starting in the NHL from the getgo this year if the Coyotes blueline weren't already so crowded. It's similar to how a few years ago Schwartz would be starting for the Blues but now the team is much deeper and he'd be starting out in Peoria out of logjam concerns rather than readiness concerns.

The result would be the Blues could give both Cole and Gormley a chance to win a top-four spot. Would it be better if he were more established? Maybe. But is it a better idea than bringing back Colaiacovo out of desperation? Hell yes. They'd be hurt by not having Schwartz to replace McDonald but Steen, Perron and Sobotka are your top three LWs even after McDonald leaves. And they'll have time to continue drafting forward talent.

Yandle would cost more than Schwartz.

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what would it take from the habs for perrons rights
Gorges + something significant. It won't happen, the something significant would have to be really significant for me to bite.

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