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Malkin-CBJ for Nash plus any 3 pieces

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07-05-2012, 12:50 AM
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Wow some Pens fans are extremely delusional. "Nash and all of CBJ's prospects wouldn't get it done" is laughable.
Then make a suggestion rather than being a thinly veiled troll.

What's fair value between the two teams?

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07-05-2012, 01:17 AM
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Yes, how dare Pens fans not want to trade the reigning Hart, Art Ross, and Pearson winner for a guy who makes 7.8 mil per to score the same amount of points as Pascal Dupuis, plus a bunch of prospects.
congratulations you have managed to make me laugh on your de valuation of Nash+Murray+Johnson+Johansen

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07-05-2012, 01:46 AM
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Why in the hell would the Penguins want to do this? We'd lose having a very strong center core; who would replace Malkin on line 2 and what happens to the rest of our center positions? We don't need Nash that badly that we'd give up Geno for him, we can sign/trade for someone else that doesn't involve trading the reigning Hart/Art Ross winner for a winger who could very well be overrated and overpaid. Again...what about this makes sense for the Pens?

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07-05-2012, 01:50 AM
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sorry to disappoint, but I'm trying to flip the whole Nash trade mould, its always been Nash for a lesser player and prospects why not Nash+ or +++ for a better player.
Because no one trades for Nash unless they're a contender. Nash is a very good player. So why would someone trade a better player for him? I honestly don't see the pieces in Columbus for this type of deal. I don't mind some of your D, however not enough to be included in a Malkin deal. I wouldn't want picks as I don't think they'd be high enough to make it matter (although you never know).

I don't think I'd do it for this - unless there were external reasons - him asking for a trade, not extending, etc... and Johansen and Brassard are there as a replacement #2C.

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Brassard (?) Not sure what his value is now... after the coaching change he was decent. But he's not far from Brule status...

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07-05-2012, 02:04 AM
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Yes, how dare Pens fans not want to trade the reigning Hart, Art Ross, and Pearson winner for a guy who makes 7.8 mil per to score the same amount of points as Pascal Dupuis, plus a bunch of prospects.
Jack Johnson is a prospect? I see.

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07-05-2012, 02:07 AM
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And then lose makin to free agency, also who would he play with after they cripple their team to get him

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All I see is lots of blah blah YOU GUYS ARE DELUSIONAL and lots of ********. Why is this a proposal?

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07-05-2012, 03:10 AM
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Malkin, Crosby and Letang for Nash...

It's Howson...you know it.

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I really beg to differ, we are fans and if we take off our fan hats and look at what Nash+Johnson+Murray+Johansen gives the Pens its worth Malkin(but way too much for 2yrs of Malkin) As it is now CBJ would NEVER offer that for 2 years of Malkin, I guess we could say Crosby but just his name sells a ton of tickets so his value is way more than what he does on the ice so for arguments sake lets pretend Malkin just signed a 10 yr @8.7/yr with a NTC but loves the Jackets. They get 2 D studs and 2 forward studs for 1 superstud. Plus it sets the pens up on D and up front. If they would have kept Staal then this would be an amazing trade to make. So since Staal is gone loosing Malkin isn't going to happen but I would sure bet an offer of Nash+Johnson+Murray+Johansen would make him think long and hard.
I LOL'ed hard

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07-05-2012, 07:32 AM
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How bad do you want him?

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In fairness, is that not what Columbus is asking of others teams for Nash? There's a reason why nobody has bitten at getting Nash yet.

If it were the Leafs (which I am not proposing any sort of trade), they would at least be asking for Gardiner, 1st rounder, another decent prospect, plus another 2nd or 3rd liner.
No. There's no turning this around on CBJ fans as regards the Nash situation.

First, if you notice many CBJ fans in here are saying Pens wouldn't do it any more than Jackets would.

Second, the scenarios are not congruent. There's a difference between trading away your four best players for one super-elite player and four quality pieces, including at least one good current NHL player for one very good player. The difference between the four best players on a roster and four quality pieces is not the same as the difference between Nash and Malkin, organizationally speaking.

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07-05-2012, 08:05 AM
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Not a snowball's chance in hell, from either team.

The Pens aren't dealing the reigning Hart, Art Ross, and Pearson winner for anything, and the Jackets aren't gutting their franchise for a player who would leave them outright in 2 years.
Careful - the Oilers once thought that of their superstar, who's 10 times the player Malkin will ever be.

Never say never!

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07-05-2012, 09:45 AM
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as for the proposal i stipulated that Malkin is under the same contract as Crosby. And I am also aware stuff like this is rare but it would be cool.

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Careful - the Oilers once thought that of their superstar, who's 10 times the player Malkin will ever be.

Never say never!
Wayne Gretzky wanted a trade to Los Angeles long before that trade was ever actually completed in 1988. It just wasn't owner Jerry Buss who made the first moves to Peter Pocklington to acquire Gretzky but Gretzky's agent who made noise about him wanting to move on from Edmonton at some point in the future. Los Angeles was always his first choice for a move away from Edmonton that is why LA never really had the pieces to make a Gretzky trade in the first place but it was done anyway.


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So I'm looking at this like the Lindros sit where Malkin is Lindros and CBJ is QUE so If I had a choice of what I wanted from CBJ it would be NASH+Murray+J.Johnson+Johansen but I'm sure there are many posters that know Pits better than i do sooo what 3 other pieces would you want with Nash?
Columbus gets robbed. I don't care if it's Malkin, but they don't decimate their team like that.

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as for the proposal i stipulated that Malkin is under the same contract as Crosby. And I am also aware stuff like this is rare but it would be cool.
It's not just rare, it's unprecedented. No NHL team has ever traded the reigning scoring champ or MVP the season after they won it.

Let alone when the player won both. Let alone when that player is 25.

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No. There's no turning this around on CBJ fans as regards the Nash situation.

First, if you notice many CBJ fans in here are saying Pens wouldn't do it any more than Jackets would.

Second, the scenarios are not congruent. There's a difference between trading away your four best players for one super-elite player and four quality pieces, including at least one good current NHL player for one very good player. The difference between the four best players on a roster and four quality pieces is not the same as the difference between Nash and Malkin, organizationally speaking.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the proposal. I'm merely pointing out the fact that Columbus has such a steep asking price for Nash that it could take so much out of another team to get him, just like a Malkin deal to Columbus would. While this is only a proposal thread, it just seems quite hypocritical for a Columbus fan to complain about another team's high asking price of a player, when Scott Howson is asking the same for Nash.

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So I'm looking at this like the Lindros sit where Malkin is Lindros and CBJ is QUE so If I had a choice of what I wanted from CBJ it would be NASH+Murray+J.Johnson+Johansen but I'm sure there are many posters that know Pits better than i do sooo what 3 other pieces would you want with Nash?
Ya no ****, I bet that is what you would want...

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You could add the entire Columbus farm system with Nash, and NOT A CHANCE.
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This is very bad. I mean you can trade Nash with every single other player on the CBJ roster and all their prospects and Pittsburgh would still say no.
well there you have it

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The best player in the NHL (IMO) is not going anywhere, even for Nash+Murray....


When Healthy Crosby is the best player but Malkin is PITTs security blanket....

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Why are you looking at this like Malkin is Lindros? Nash is the one who wants another team.

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as for the proposal i stipulated that Malkin is under the same contract as Crosby. And I am also aware stuff like this is rare but it would be cool.
Tell me how Columbus becomes a better team as a result of your proposal. Or did that thought even cross your mind before you started this thread?

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Why are you looking at this like Malkin is Lindros? Nash is the one who wants another team.
Agreed - this idea the OP has of equating Malkin's current situation in this trade proposal with Lindros' after he was drafted is ludicrous and defies all logic.

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Careful - the Oilers once thought that of their superstar, who's 10 times the player Malkin will ever be.

Never say never!
The Gretzky trade is the most misused and wrongly cited analogy in the history of HF boards. Honesty, everyone needs to just stop citing it if they do not want to look like they have no clue what they are talking about.

'The Trade' as it was known, included a lot of parts, but mostly it included $15 million in 1988 from an owner whose ventures where he actually made money were going belly up. Even given that you can no longer sell players, that would be the equivilent of something like $40 or $50 million today. Where is the $50 million in this deal coming to Pittsburgh? And where is the near bankrupt owner? Last I saw Burkle was worth several billion and was flying people like Bill Clinton around on his private jet Clinton named Air Ron.

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