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07-04-2012, 11:31 PM
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He's also trolling. I'm about 90% sure.
Why not more than 90%?

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07-05-2012, 11:50 AM
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I'm not trolling, and look at this:
New Jersey - Cam Janssen, Krys Barch
Rags - Michael Rupp, Stu Bickel, Michael Haley, Aaron Asham
Isles - Matt Carkner, Eric Boulton
ArmPittsburgh - Steve MacIntyre

All the players in bold have fought or will fight Shelley. Every team in the division has gotten tougher except us [and Pitt], so we need to keep Shelley to keep up.

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07-05-2012, 12:38 PM
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Is Ryan seriously enough of an upgrade over Voracek (and his potential) to warrant a trade for him?

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I'm not trolling, and look at this:
New Jersey - Cam Janssen, Krys Barch
Rags - Michael Rupp, Stu Bickel, Michael Haley, Aaron Asham
Isles - Matt Carkner, Eric Boulton
ArmPittsburgh - Steve MacIntyre

All the players in bold have fought or will fight Shelley. Every team in the division has gotten tougher except us [and Pitt], so we need to keep Shelley to keep up.
Fighting doesn't matter. There's more to having a tough team than having a useless old goon who can fight other goons and do nothing else. The instigator rule makes them pointless.

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07-05-2012, 12:40 PM
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Is Ryan seriously enough of an upgrade over Voracek (and his potential) to warrant a trade for him?
I believe he is. It's also about the style of player too. Voracek is a play maker and Ryan has the abilility to finish. 4 straight 30+ goal seasons would look really nice next to Giroux. Voracek and Giroux would try to pass the puck in the net. Voracek has the ability to put 60-70 points up I believe in a career year, while Ryan can put up 80-90 in a career year perhaps.

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07-05-2012, 12:41 PM
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I'm not trolling, and look at this:
New Jersey - Cam Janssen, Krys Barch
Rags - Michael Rupp, Stu Bickel, Michael Haley, Aaron Asham
Isles - Matt Carkner, Eric Boulton
ArmPittsburgh - Steve MacIntyre

All the players in bold have fought or will fight Shelley. Every team in the division has gotten tougher except us [and Pitt], so we need to keep Shelley to keep up.
Shelley can't do crap. You need to be tough and be able to play hockey.

Shelley is neither.

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07-05-2012, 12:42 PM
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I believe he is. It's also about the style of player too. Voracek is a play maker and Ryan has the abilility to finish. 4 straight 30+ goal seasons would look really nice next to Giroux. Voracek and Giroux would try to pass the puck in the net. Voracek has the ability to put 60-70 points up I believe in a career year, while Ryan can put up 80-90 in a career year perhaps.
Yes, but to warrant giving up other pieces and picks as well? It seems like an overpayment and only a marginal improvement overall when everything is considered. I'm in favor of seeing how this team develops before scattering any more of it. I don't feel that one season is enough to judge all the new guys/rookies.

Edit: I believe I've made my feelings on Semin very clear, but I'd rather sign him for a year or two than trade for Ryan. I'd like to see more roster consistency.

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07-05-2012, 12:48 PM
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Shelley can't do crap. You need to be tough and be able to play hockey.

Shelley is neither.
Shelley, Janssen, Barch, MacIntyre, and now Boulton due to age all have about the same skill level. This is the Atlantic division, if you're big and can fight, there's a place for you.

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07-05-2012, 12:56 PM
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Yes, but to warrant giving up other pieces and picks as well? It seems like an overpayment and only a marginal improvement overall when everything is considered. I'm in favor of seeing how this team develops before scattering any more of it. I don't feel that one season is enough to judge all the new guys/rookies.

Edit: I believe I've made my feelings on Semin very clear, but I'd rather sign him for a year or two than trade for Ryan. I'd like to see more roster consistency.
Wow I know you really don't like Semin so that is saying much. If it would only take Voracek and prospects and a pick (preferably not a 1st) then I am all for it. Although this most likely won't happen. Duck fans are crazy and want the world for him, and other team fans are not willing to give them what they want. I do want to see this team grow together, but if you can upgrade Voracek for Ryan in a deal that doesn't really deplete your picks or prospects, you have to jump on it. I don't see it happening either right now though. Murray's asking price is way to high

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07-05-2012, 01:08 PM
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Shelley can't do crap. You need to be tough and be able to play hockey.

Shelley is neither.
Shelley's contract sucks, he's an awful hockey player.
But to say he isn't tough is BS.

We have a super young team and that's why I wouldn't mind one or two more guys like Glass, Janssen, Rupp or Haley on this team.
As much as I like Simmonds fighting, he should focus on playing, I don't want to see him having to drop'em as much as he had to do last season. Same with the Schenn's. Luke is a pretty bad fighter and he fought quite a lot with Toronto, don't want to see him getting his face destroyed because we have no-one more capable at this stuff.
I also don't want to see one of our young stars (B.Schenn and Couturier come to mind) laying on the ice because an oposing player (Asham and Neal) showed absolutely no respect. This should never happen again. A few guys of the calliber of Haley etc. would help with it.

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07-05-2012, 01:15 PM
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Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Briere - ???
Read - Couturier - Simmonds
Fedotenko - Talbot - Wellwood

Timonen - Coburn
Grossmann - Schenn
Meszaros - Gervais
Lilja

Bryzgalov
Leighton

We need to find another winger, I don't want to see Simmonds or Read play on the second line.

The loss of JVR + Jagr + and Carle >>>>>> Fedotenko + Schenn, we really need one more move without losing too much by trade.

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07-05-2012, 01:28 PM
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Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Briere - ???
Read - Couturier - Simmonds
Fedotenko - Talbot - Wellwood

Timonen - Coburn
Grossmann - Schenn
Meszaros - Gervais
Lilja

Bryzgalov
Leighton

We need to find another winger, I don't want to see Simmonds or Read play on the second line.

The loss of JVR + Jagr + and Carle >>>>>> Fedotenko + Schenn, we really need one more move without losing too much by trade.
I think Read and Simmonds can both be ably fill in as top-6 forwards. Honestly, with Read's speed and shot I'd even be willing to give him a chance on G's wing. They worked really well together at various points during this past season.

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07-05-2012, 01:37 PM
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Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Briere - ???
Read - Couturier - Simmonds
Fedotenko - Talbot - Wellwood

Timonen - Coburn
Grossmann - Schenn
Meszaros - Gervais
Lilja

Bryzgalov
Leighton

We need to find another winger, I don't want to see Simmonds or Read play on the second line.

The loss of JVR + Jagr + and Carle >>>>>> Fedotenko + Schenn, we really need one more move without losing too much by trade.
Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Briere - Simmonds
Read - Couturier - Fedotenko
Rinaldo/Sestito - Talbot - Wellwood

Timonen - Schenn
Grossmann -Coburn
Meszaros - Gervais
Lilja

How I see it. Will be a 3rd line that can score and be damn good defensively, Finally.

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07-05-2012, 01:39 PM
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Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Briere - Simmonds
Read - Couturier - Fedotenko
Rinaldo/Sestito - Talbot - Wellwood

Timonen - Schenn
Grossmann -Coburn
Meszaros - Gervais
Lilja

How I see it. Will be a 3rd line that can score and be damn good defensively, Finally.
They need a 4C. Talbot is not good on faceoffs.

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07-05-2012, 01:43 PM
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I think Read and Simmonds can both be ably fill in as top-6 forwards. Honestly, with Read's speed and shot I'd even be willing to give him a chance on G's wing. They worked really well together at various points during this past season.
I agree. I'd like to see what Read can do. Though he really did fall off a cliff at the end of last season. I'm crossing my fingers we could bring in Shane Doan if possible. Even with the 35+ contract, he brings that strong defensive forward presence we seem to have lost since we traded Richards. A Schenn - Briere - Doan line, while weak defensively in the center, would be extremely strong on the wings.

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I agree. I'd like to see what Read can do. Though he really did fall off a cliff at the end of last season. I'm crossing my fingers we could bring in Shane Doan if possible. Even with the 35+ contract, he brings that strong defensive forward presence we seem to have lost since we traded Richards. A Schenn - Briere - Doan line, while weak defensively in the center, would be extremely strong on the wings.
I'm with you on this. Doan will be a 35+ guy -- and there's always a risk there -- but he's also one of the most durable players in the league. Since '98-99, his lowest number of games played in a season is 72 (and that was in '10-11). Even on a three-year deal, I think he'd be the perfect kind of addition for the Flyers both on and off the ice, especially considering the young makeup of the team. I'd be quite fine giving him 3 years for $15 million.

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Shelley can't do crap. You need to be tough and be able to play hockey.

Shelley is neither.
Go call him a *****. See if you think he's tough after you recover.

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07-05-2012, 02:23 PM
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Go call him a *****. See if you think he's tough after you recover.
Shelley would have to catch him first. And he can probably walk faster than Shelley can skate

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Would still like Peter Mueller, Daniel Winnik and/or Shane Doan (unlikely). Maybe Wellwood or Moore (if he's playing). However as of now:

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek ($4mil RFA)
Schenn - Briere - Simmonds
Read - Couturier - Fedotenko
#12 - Talbot - Wellwood
Shelley

(#12 can be Rinaldo, Sestito, Holmstrom, Harry Z, or any surprise guy from the minors. Doesn't really matter as long as they don't suck.)

Grossmann - Coburn
Timonen - Schenn
Meszaros - #6
Lilja

(#6 will either be Gervais, Bourdon or Gustafsson. Gervais will still be on the roster regardless I think, while I hope they send Bourdon and Gus down if they don't make it.)

Bryzgalov
Leighton



Could be worse, could be better. Still has about $8.5mil in cap-space (WTF???).

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Shelley would have to catch him first. And he can probably walk faster than Shelley can skate
"Oh no! He's out of arms' reach! How did he know my only weakness!?"

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What I expect:

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Briere - Simmonds
Fedotenko - Couturier - Read
Wellwood - Talbot - FA
Shelley, Rinaldo

Schenn - Timonen
Grossmann - Coburn
Meszaros - Gervais
Lilja

Bryzgalov
Leighton

I think we are making a play for Semin, but I don't think we will get him. I also think we will take a run at Doan, but similarly, I think he'll end up elsewhere (likely Phoenix, perhaps San Jose). I don't think Holmgren has any interest in Mueller.

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I like pk'ers of Read,Couts,Talbot,Feds . Take some of the pk time away from G.

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Shelley would have to catch him first. And he can probably walk faster than Shelley can skate
Do you know the story about the rabbit and the turtle?
Who won?

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Shelley would have to catch him first. And he can probably walk faster than Shelley can skate
I could see Shelley doing the Jason/Michael Myers slow walk yet somehow staying right behind someone who is running thing.

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Shelley's contract sucks, he's an awful hockey player.
But to say he isn't tough is BS.

We have a super young team and that's why I wouldn't mind one or two more guys like Glass, Janssen, Rupp or Haley on this team.
As much as I like Simmonds fighting, he should focus on playing, I don't want to see him having to drop'em as much as he had to do last season. Same with the Schenn's. Luke is a pretty bad fighter and he fought quite a lot with Toronto, don't want to see him getting his face destroyed because we have no-one more capable at this stuff.
I also don't want to see one of our young stars (B.Schenn and Couturier come to mind) laying on the ice because an oposing player (Asham and Neal) showed absolutely no respect. This should never happen again. A few guys of the calliber of Haley etc. would help with it.
True. This is why I say you pick a game and you let Rinaldo or Sestito off the leash. Send a message that you're willing to let your crazy guys **** somebody up.

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With that cap space, I'd try to get Mueller and/or Coloiacovo(sp?), if we don't have other plans (I doubt it). They're both injury prone, but we could take the risk for 1 yr deals.

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