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07-05-2012, 11:56 AM
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Okay Chicago fans, what would it take to acquire your #3C Bolland and Hjalmarsson from Edmonton.

so Edmonton would be acquiring a #3C and a #4 dman. Possible trade pieces from Edmonton could be Hemsky, Gagner, MPS, Omark, Plante, Gernat, Marcinin, Belanger, Khabibuilin, 2-7th round picks

What do you think Chicago would be interested in?

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Gagner + MPS + Marincin + 2nd

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07-05-2012, 12:04 PM
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Hawks need a center, so why would they ship one out, a pretty useful one at that? Hammer for Gags straight up.

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I think it's just too tough to build a trade proposal with Bolland in it. The Hawks are so weak at center as it is, and if they trade him, they're giving up one of the best shutdown players in the NHL who also happens to play a position their organization has no depth in.

It's not worth it to trade Bolland. Sure, Edmonton has a center or two they could offer up in return, but the ones the Oilers are willing to trade aren't as good as Bolland. Given Chicago wants to win now, why bother with it?

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07-05-2012, 12:09 PM
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This is pointless.

Chicago isn't going to trade core players unless the other team is going to overpay!

Oilers fans are just going to argue over the value of these pieces belonging the to Hawks and Hawks fans are going to laugh because REALLY... the Hawks have no reason to take a step back.

Sharp, Hossa, Keith, Toews and Kane are hot now and they're not going to be when the likes of MPS and Marincin will be.

Overpayment not needed on Edmonton's behalf because Edmonton would have no interest in such move as post #2 and I highly doubt Chicago's GM would have any interest in such move either.

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07-05-2012, 12:12 PM
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Neither of these guys are going to Edmonton, unless 1 of Yakupov, Hall, Eberle, or Nugent is coming the other way.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

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07-05-2012, 12:13 PM
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Hawks need a center, so why would they ship one out, a pretty useful one at that? Hammer for Gags straight up.
Well what about something surrounding

Belanger
Gagner
Khabibulin

for

Hjalmarsson
Bolland

This way Gagner could fit into the hawks #2C spot, if Belanger rebounds he could slide into #3C spot, or they could promote someone within and move Belanger to #4C.

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07-05-2012, 12:14 PM
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Well what about something surrounding

Belanger
Gagner
Khabibulin

for

Hjalmarsson
Bolland

This way Gagner could fit into the hawks #2C spot, if Belanger rebounds he could slide into #3C spot, or they could promote someone within and move Belanger to #4C.
LMAO that's even worse for Chiacgo!!!!!

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07-05-2012, 12:15 PM
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Neither of these guys are going to Edmonton, unless 1 of Yakupov, Hall, Eberle, or Nugent is coming the other way.

Sorry to burst your bubble.


The Oilers are not going to trade one of those players unless one of Keith, Toews, or Kane is coming the other way.


Sorry to burst your bubble.


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Frolik for Gagner. Straight up.

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07-05-2012, 12:18 PM
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Bolland is (arguably) the best 3C in the NHL.

Completely serious, if the OP wants Bolland AND Hjalmarsson, one of Eberle, Yakupov +, Hall, RNH, or Eberle are absolutely coming back. Even then, hawks get neutered in the deal because they'd be short a top 4 Dman and would have even worse center depth.

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07-05-2012, 12:19 PM
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LMAO that's even worse for Chiacgo!!!!!
haha thought I would try to slip one through there. But realistically the majority of fans from Chi think Gagner for Hammer is a fair deal.

So you would have to find what Oilers can give for Bolland, keeping in mind that they are getting at #2C in the deal already.

So I would think a Hemsky for Bolland deal could be had but I don't think it is worth it from Edmonton's side so compensate with some picks?

To Edm:
Hammer
Bolland
2nd?

To Chi:
Sam Gagner
Ales Hemsky

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Neither of these guys are going to Edmonton, unless 1 of Yakupov, Hall, Eberle, or Nugent is coming the other way.

Sorry to burst your bubble.
Well if you want one of Gagner or Petry then one of Toews Kane Keith or Sharp is coming the other way.

See how ridiculous that is?

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Edmonton fans are easily the worst at valuing their players in the trade thread.

Completely ridiculous.

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Bolland is (arguably) the best 3C in the NHL.

Completely serious, if the OP wants Bolland AND Hjalmarsson, one of Eberle, Yakupov +, Hall, RNH, or Eberle are absolutely coming back. Even then, hawks get neutered in the deal because they'd be short a top 4 Dman and would have even worse center depth.
Keep dreaming.

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Edmonton fans are easily the worst at valuing their players in the trade thread.

Completely ridiculous.
A Hawks fan just compared values of Dave Bolland and Hammer to Eberle/Hall/Yakupov/RNH.

It goes both ways.

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07-05-2012, 12:25 PM
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I think it's safe to say that Bolland is a non-starter. Hammer, though, could be had, and he could be had for Sam Gagner. Would we need to add to get Gagner away from you guys?


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A Hawks fan just compared values of Dave Bolland and Hammer to Eberle/Hall/Yakupov/RNH.

It goes both ways.

That's not what he did, he said short of one of those guys, you won't be able to pry both Hammer and Bolland out of us. It's not quite the same thing. He isn't saying Bolland+Hammer for Hall, he's saying that we love Bolland, we have no need to move him, and moving him would make a hole. He's happy here, we're happy with him and ecstatic about his contract. We'd need something REALLY good to move him.

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A Hawks fan just compared values of Dave Bolland and Hammer to Eberle/Hall/Yakupov/RNH.

It goes both ways.
Top 4 Dman signed at 3.5 cap hit
Best 3c in the NHL signed at 3.5 cap hit.

The oilers would probably even be a #7/8 seed of they added both Bolland and Hammer.

RNH-Gagner-Bolland is pretty solid center depth and your D core would be full of young top 4 potential dmen.

One of Edmonton's stud wingers would absolutely be coming back

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I think it's safe to say that Bolland is a non-starter. Hammer, though, could be had, and he could be had for Sam Gagner. Would we need to add to get Gagner away from you guys?
Hammer for Gagner is equal IMO.

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I think it's safe to say that Bolland is a non-starter. Hammer, though, could be had, and he could be had for Sam Gagner. Would we need to add to get Gagner away from you guys?
Edmonton's issue with moving Sam Gagner is the same with Chicago moving Bolland apparently. If Edmonton was to trade Sam for a Dman straight across than we would not have a #2C..

I wonder if Hemsky for Hammer+ could be had?

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Bolland is (arguably) the best 3C in the NHL.

Completely serious, if the OP wants Bolland AND Hjalmarsson, one of Eberle, Yakupov +, Hall, RNH, or Eberle are absolutely coming back. Even then, hawks get neutered in the deal because they'd be short a top 4 Dman and would have even worse center depth.
Okay yeah, I dont want you to be short centre depth or top 4 D

How about Smid + RNH + Gagner + Marincin for Hjalmersson and Bolland

Fair?

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Top 4 Dman signed at 3.5 cap hit
Best 3c in the NHL signed at 3.5 cap hit.

The oilers would probably even be a #7/8 seed of they added both Bolland and Hammer.

RNH-Gagner-Bolland is pretty solid center depth and your D core would be full of young top 4 potential dmen.

One of Edmonton's stud wingers would absolutely be coming back





You aren't turning two dimes into a quarter and a dime at Edmonton's expense. Keep dreaming.

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Edm doesn't need Bolland as long as Horcoff is on the team..Horcoff is not a 2nd line C but neither is he a 4th line. Getting Bolland (although better than Horcoff) would be redundant and it certainly wouldn't make sense to give up valuable assets for...
Hammer I'd like to have and Gagner for Hammer is reasonable value. However, as has been mentioned, we'd have another hole unless we go down the road of moving Hall to center (and that may happen anyway)...

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Edmonton's issue with moving Sam Gagner is the same with Chicago moving Bolland apparently. If Edmonton was to trade Sam for a Dman straight across than we would not have a #2C..

I wonder if Hemsky for Hammer+ could be had?
My only hesitation is that this would move Sharp to C full-time, which should be avoided. I think if Gagner for Hammer isn't a go for you guys, we'd shop somewhere else, but if we couldn't get a 2C from somewhere else, Hemsky for Hammer+ would work for me, so long as the plus isn't too much.

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The Oilers are not going to trade one of those players unless one of Keith, Toews, or Kane is coming the other way.


Sorry to burst your bubble.


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Well if you want one of Gagner or Petry then one of Toews Kane Keith or Sharp is coming the other way.

See how ridiculous that is?
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A Hawks fan just compared values of Dave Bolland and Hammer to Eberle/Hall/Yakupov/RNH.

It goes both ways.
We're not the ones looking to deal. The majority of Hawks fans are content with keeping our semi-core players. We have no incentive to give quality for quantity or give away the best player(s) in a deal with Edmonton. If we don't make any deals, we'll still be a contender in the West.

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